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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Flintshire => Wales => Flintshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Kimberly on Monday 05 September 05 20:23 BST (UK)
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Hello
I am looking for information on Roger Conway and Family. Roger was born in Northrop Cum, Flint in 1814. His father was Thomas Conway.
Roger married Sarah Roberts in Dec 1837 in Flint.
In 1838 Sarah and Roger had a daughter, Maria in Flint.
Roger died in 1876 at Roskell Square, Flint. His death was certified by his son Henry of Eaton Terrace, Flint.
Henry was born in Flint, from census records he appears to have been born between 1841 and 1843.
I cannot find any trace of Roger or Sarah on any census returns for England and Wales. I can trace Maria in 1871 as i know she married Richard Hayes in 1862 in Holywell Parish Church. Maria's residence at the time of marriage was Bagilit.
Can any kind person, track Roger.
Thank you 8)
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This is a surprise,and as they say;"Bloods thicker than water"!Roger's Father Thomas was the brother of my Greatx4-Grandfather Edward,who was born in Flint in 1772.Edward was the son of James Conway and Mary Jones.He was christened Edward Jones,as he was born before the couple married at Flint in 1775.However he took the Conway name as he was married to Ann Davies at Flint in c 1793.Iii also have been unable to find Roger on any Census,but I would very much welcome any details you may have of his descendants.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi Kimberly,
Didn't have much time to look through the census for Roger
but I can tell you he was not in Roskell Sq Flint in 1871 I'll have a good look for him next time.
I don't know if you already have this.
December 30 1830.
Roger Conway. Full Age. Collier. Flint Town. Father, Thomas. Collier.
Sarah Roberts. Full Age. Flint Town. Father Moses. Smelter.
Witnesses. William Conway & Mary Jones. Both made their mark as did Sarah, Roger Signed.
Paul.
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Hello Again
Many many thanks for your replies. Appreciated.
Roger and Sarah Conway had a daughter, Maria Conway born 5 March 1838 in Flint. She married Richard Hayes in 1862 (see original post) Maria died in 1880, i presume she died as a result of childbirth as she had a son John who was born in 1880 .
I can provide details of their children if you would like. It might be worth noting that Sarah Ann Hayes (Maria and Richard's daughter) married a Thomas Conway in c1880).
The only death entry i could find on the BMD index states that Roger Conway died at Roskell Square, Flint, in 1876. His son Henry on Eaton Terrace was in attendance.
Henry was born in c.1841 in Flint, He married a Margaret and had a son called David, born c1865 in Hanley, Staffs.
On the 1901 census Henry was living with his wife and Grandson Edward aged approx 6.
Henry lived in Mount street, Flint and was mainly a chemical labourer on most of the census records. on the 1901 census he was a chemical labourer but had paralysis for six months.
On the information, provided by William Jones (thank you Cousin :D) you mention Edward Jones as the brother of Thomas Conway. do you have any other information on those ancestors that you listed? birth dates, death dates etc.
I would be delighted to provide further information. I am still researching, so dates given in this post are not final.
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Many thanks Kimberly once again,and I have to say it is very rare that I meet a Conway cousin on this Site!First of all I was able to gain all the info about the Hayes children off the Census Entries.you are probably aware that Richard Hayes married again after 1891 to a Maria from Lancashire.The Thomas Conway that Sarah Ann married is not of our Family apparently.He was born in Flint in c 1854,and his Father was a Peter Conway born in Ireland in c 1830.Edward Jones(Conway) was baptised in Flint March 18th 1772,to Parents James Conway and Mary Jones.James Conway and Mary Jones married in 1775,their known children as well as Edward were;
Henry Baptised,May 4th 1777.
Roger Baptised,September 26th 1779.
Possible Twins;
Elizabeth and Anne,Baptised April 17th 1787.
Thomas,Baptised April 8th 1789.
Thomas Jones married Jane Jones at Flint january 28th 1811.Their known children are;
Roger,Baptised April 24th 1814.
Thomas,Baptised May 4th 1816.
Maria,Baptised May 27th 1820.
All the above info was taken from the transcribed Parish Registers of Flint by Clwyd FHS.I can't say with certainty the Birth of James Conway,the only one in the Flint area that would fit with the above is one Baptised in Holywell,September 9th 1744,to Parents-John and Emma Conway.of course you can view Edward Jones(Conway)'s many descendants on my Webpage,the Link to which is with all my messages.One minor point,is that I am not linked with any of these Jones Families,other than of course their Marriage into the Conway Family,my Mother was born Elsie Conway,May 13th 1912.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Apologies for the error,it was of course Thomas Conway who married Jane Jones.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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:) Hello William
Thank you once again for the information. I am busy looking through your webpage, congratulations on a job well done. !
Richard Hayes did indeed remarry Maria Walsh in 1883. Are you aware that they appear on the 1901 census living at 4 Roskell Square, Flint. They had another son, Peter aged 14 on the census and born in flint.
I have been looking at the BMD index for the death of Thomas Conway, Edward's brother, there are three entries in the late 1840's one in the holywell district in 1847 and the others in St. Asalph. Do you happen to know if they featured on the Flint census for 1841 or 1851, or is this part of the mystery of being unable to trace Roger Conway for so long?
With kind regards
Kimberly
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Many thanks for your reply,and I have not seen Thomas or Roger in the 1841 or 1851 Census.The only Census Entries I have seen were part of a Report my Mother's First cousin Kenneth had someone to compile for him.However it only concentrated on the descendants of Edward.I have seen the Census entry of Richard and Maria in 1901.You have not told me yet Kimberley how you fit into all this.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hello William
Thank you for the latest information. My apologies, i get so carried away i forget to mention about me. My mother, Marion Hunter, (nee Edwards) is the great granddaugther of Richard and Maria Hayes (nee Conway).
Her mother, Lizzie Johnson was born in Flint, as were most of the Johnson Family some of whom married into the Conway Family. (still looking into that side of things).
On a slightly different note, you may have seen my posting on this site, regarding Jack Hayes, he is somehow descended from Richard and Maria Hayes.
An excellent rugby player, who lived in Widnes,
Will be in touch again.
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Your Lizzie Johnson was born in Flint in 1896,the daughter of Edward Johnson and Caroline Hayes.If I have picked the correct Johnson Family on Genes-Reunited,I will have your Johnson Family back to 1807.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William
How very clever you are! We are talking of the right family. When you say you have the Johnson Family back to 1807, would you be talking of Robert Johnson?
Regards
Kimberly ;)
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It is not very often that the info falls neatly into place!Yes it is Robert Johnson born in c 1807,the Father of George Johnson,who married Ann Morris whose Parents were Richard Morris and Ann Bithel.George and Ann were the Parents of Edward Johnson.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William
I have Robert Johnson on the 1841 census living at Johnstone Lane, Flint with his family. Following on from Robert is a John Johnson, do you know if this is Robert's father, or just coincidence?
Regards
Kimberly
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I wouldn't know who Robert 's Father was.The contact on GR seems only to go back,as I said to 1807.However I will look in the Flint parish Registers when I go to the Rhosymedre Resource Centre of Clwyd FHS,on Tuesday.I am also interested in the Edwards that Lizzie Johnson married,as I have other Edwards interests from Flint.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thomas Conway who marred Sarah Ann Hayes was b 1854 in Widnes, also his brother John b1859, the family moved to Flint about 1860.
John married a Mary McNulty 1888 in Widnes and spent his life there.
Bill
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Thanks Bill,Thomas was the son of a peter conway born in Ireland in c 1830.However I am in touch with another of peter#s descendants on Genes Re-united,who asks me;Where was Peter was born in Ireland?
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thank you William and Bill for your messages.
Lizzie Johnson married James Harold Edwards on the 1 December 1918. James was the son of James Edwards and Elizabeth Griffiths. James was born in Whittington, Shropshire. His family also lived in Whittington. However, going back in time it was rumoured that his ancestors moved to Mold.
Would you like further information?
Please note that Lizzie had two children, Alfred and Doris Johnson whom she had prior to marrying James Edwards. I have details of Alfred but am still searching for Doris. Doris did move to Flint and had a family there.
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Many thanks for the Marriage info for Lizzie Johnson,and I think you know I will follow it up!Would you happen to know who Catherine Hayes,the daughter of Richard and Maria married?
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Sorry William, i also dont know who Catherine Hayes married, if at all. She was, as you probably know, on the 1891 census living at 1 Castle Terrace Flint. I have not found her on the 1901. If you find anything out, could you let me know please.
I was looking through www.fflint.co.uk and found the following entries in the industry section:
Slaters Directory 1859 - Mary Hayes Roskell Square, Millener and Dressmaker- she is the sister of Catherine.
I also found under the Pigots Directory of 1822 for Flint the following Conway's
Surgeon - James Conway
Flour Dealer - Richard Conway
Slaters and Plasters 1883
Benjamin Conway Duke Street.
Are these people related to us??
Let me know if you need help with Lizzie Johnson or the Edwards i have quite a lot of information you may like.
Regards
Kimberly
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The Benjamin Conway that you mention is listed on the IGI,as being born in Flint in 1820,the son of a Richard Conway and Ann Pierce.Although I am in contact with someone researching this line,I have yet to make a connection with our Conway Family.I can only speculate perhaps that the Richard you mention could be Benjamin's Father.As far as the James is concerned,apart from Edward and Thomas's Father,the earliest James I have was only born in 1808.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
wrexham.
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Looking in the Parish Registers transcribed by Clwyd FHS at Rhosymedre this afternoon,I found the Baptism of a Robert Ellis Johnson on the 25th of November 1807,listed as the son of John and Jane Johnson.However I looked without success for a Marriage of a John and Jane Johnson in Flint.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William
Thank you so very much for finding Robert Johnson's father for me. You have confirmed what i thought!
I have had a good look around your website and the many descendants of Edward Conway, were the children of Edward born in Flint?
Do you happen to know when Richard Hayes died, there appears to be uncertainty as to whether he died in Flint or Widnes?
Anyway, will be in touch again. Let me know what help you need from me
Kimberly
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Thanks Kimberleyand yes,Edward Conway's descendants were all born in Flint till about 1850,when the family moved to Staffordshire.The only death I could find for a Richard Hayes,could be that of his son Richard born in c 1872.There is a death recorded in Flint of a Richard Hayes in 1901 aged 29.Have you found all those 13 children yet?It will tire me out adding all those to my Tree!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thank you William. I am in touch with another cousin who has said he knows a thing or two about the Hayes Family, so will keep you posted.
It is rumoured that Edward and Caroline Johnson had more children, but as yet i havent been able to prove it. I am working on the Johnson's at present, so i will give you all the birth and where know the death dates. Be in touch again soon.
Regards
Kimberly
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Hi William
As promised, here are the death details of the children of Edward and Caroline Johnson, as i have them at present;
George b. 1898 died 03.05.17. Killed in action during the first world war. He was in the Royal Irish Fussiers (sorry for spelling. He appears on the Widnes War Memorial. He is further listed on the commonwealth Graves Commission website.
Teddy (Edward) Died 06.11.67
Herbert died 09.07.88
Edward Johnson (senior) died 23.02.44 he is buried with his first wife, Caroline (nee Hayes) in Widnes Cemetry.
Their daughter Lizzie Johnson is also buried in the same cemetry.
Would you like some pictures of the Johnson's. If so please send me a personal message and i will email them to you,
Turning to the Conway Clan, can you please tell me if Sarah Roberts, b 1815, married to Roger, was born in Flint?
Thank you
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Many thanks once again for the info of the deaths of the Johnson children.I have to say;what a waste of a young life of George.I would be delighted to receive pictures of the Johnsons,you could always Email them direct,by pressing the Email symbol alongside my messages.As far as Sarah Roberts is concerned,until I see her on a Census,I can't really say where she was born.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William
Havent forgotten the Photographs, will forward them on in due course. There are one or two other Johnson Children i am finalising details on, so i will include them at a later date.
With reference to your wonderful website, are all the Conway birth dates taken from the Transcripts of the Flintshire birth records or census dates?
Take Care
Kimberly
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Many thansks for your message once again,and yes they are either taken from the Parish Records or Census entries.Please note that the info for Edward Conway born 1772's Father James and his Father John,can only be described as a bit suspect at the moment.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.