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Maria Guinnee (1860 - 1924; her name is misspelled on the record) married Patrick O'Sullivan Ware in Pancras, London, England in January 1882:
Name Maria Guinner
Registration Year 1882
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Pancras
Inferred County London
Volume 1b
Page 227
Records on Page 4
Maria and Patrick had no children (or if they did, none survived infancy). By 1889 she had remarried to William Jelley Davies, with who she had 4 children, born between 1890 and 1896, with:
Record details
Name Maria Sullivan Ware
Gender Female
Marriage Age 30
Birth Date 1859
Marriage Date 10 Jul 1889
Marriage Place Stratford, St John, Essex, England
Father William Guinee
Spouse William Davies
However, it also appears that she married William in 1895 too?
Name Maria Sullivan
Gender Female
Marriage Age 35
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date 1860
Marriage Date 9 Sep 1895
Marriage Place St Martin, Kentish Town, Camden, England
Father William Guinnce
Spouse William Davis Jelley
Register Type Parish Register
In the second marriage, she is listed as a widow. I do not know why she is recorded as having married William twice (I am almost certain both records belong to her).
I am looking to find out what happened to Patrick, who I can find absolutely no trace of (excluding his marriage record). Maria Guinnee (whose name is spelled many ways across records) was Irish (born in Limerick), and whilst Patrick O'Sullivan is certainly an Irish name, Ware is an English surname.
Can anyone help? I'm happy to provide extra information if needed.
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Do you have the 1882 marriage cert for his age/occupation/fathers name
If he was a mariner - he may have died at sea
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Do you have the 1882 marriage cert for his age/occupation/fathers name
If he was a mariner - he may have died at sea
I'm actually researching this tree for somebody else, and as Patrick is just the first husband of their great-grandmother rather than a direct relative, I don't think they'll be willing to pay for the marriage certificate. This is just personal curiosity of mine. If Patrick's identity is impossible to work out without the certificate, I'll just let it go.
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Maybe it was the 7 year thing - 1882-1889 - she hadn't seen or heard from Patrick in that time and presumed him deceased :-\
Then in 1895 some information came to light about his death to confirm she was a widow so she married again? Just speculation.
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Interesting ...
1889 marriage: he is "William DAVIES". (Father is "William Davies, a Labourer, dec'd)
The 1895 marriage: he's "William Davis JELLEY" (Father is William JELLEY, a Drover)
1889 marriage, she is "Maria Sullivan WARE", 2nd marriage she's "Maria SULLIVAN"
Witnesses on first one in 1889: Thomas Davies & Frances E Jelley
1895 Witnesses appear to be William Guinnee (?sp) and Frances Elizabeth Jelley
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previous post about William Davies Jelley, lot of ground covered in this.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865299.msg7355188#msg7355188
John
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Interesting ...
1889 marriage: he is "William DAVIES". (Father is "William Davies, a Labourer, dec'd)
The 1895 marriage: he's "William Davis JELLEY" (Father is William JELLEY, a Drover)
1889 marriage, she is "Maria Sullivan WARE", 2nd marriage she's "Maria SULLIVAN"
Witnesses on first one in 1889: Thomas Davies & Frances E Jelley
1895 Witnesses appear to be William Guinnee (?sp) and Frances Elizabeth Jelley
Yes, there is a lot of confusion with William, who I believe was adopted into the Jelley family, but was a born a Davies. I have been unable to find out anything about his biological family - perhaps the William Davies (who unlike William Jelley was a labourer) listed on the first marriage record was his biological father? It's unlikely, but not impossible.
The Sullivan vs Sullivan Ware thing is interesting. I wonder if Patrick's middle name wasn't O'Sullivan, but rather, for some reason, he had two surnames?