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Following Ancestry's acquisition of Geneanet, they have now imported their family tree databases which now appear as hints
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62476/
It will be interesting to see if any of Geneanet's paid content (mostly France focused) will end up on Ancestry.
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Please don't tell me...more rubbish to contend with i.e. trees with wrong info?
Annie
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You've got it Annie, and what is worse is that they come up as Record Hints!
Paul
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Please don't tell me...more rubbish to contend with i.e. trees with wrong info?
Annie
Well, in my experience, they are a little more reliable and carefully researched, partly because they don't have any of the ridiculous Ancestry hints and tree suggestions popping up ;D :o.
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I came across one today which offered a potential parent but no documentary evidence so it was ignored.
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You've got it Annie, and what is worse is that they come up as Record Hints!
How misleading to/for newbies...
It's about time there was some kind of rule in the 'genealogy' world of how they advertise certain things...
In the 'food' world, they can't advertise a 'buttered' roll if it's not 'butter'...
Why should 'Anc' be allowed to advertise others' trees as 'Record' hints if there are no source 'records' to view?
Annie
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I agree with all that has been said. I consider those "hints" as rubbish and ignore them. I have received hundreds of them in the past few weeks.
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You've got it Annie, and what is worse is that they come up as Record Hints!
How misleading to/for newbies...
It's about time there was some kind of rule in the 'genealogy' world of how they advertise certain things...
In the 'food' world, they can't advertise a 'buttered' roll if it's not 'butter'...
Why should 'Anc' be allowed to advertise others' trees as 'Record' hints if there are no source 'records' to view?
Annie
definitely as it's misleading to those inexperienced. I've only opened one of the geneanet links and i only opened that because I accidentally clicked on it when I was scrolling. I've just been ignoring them otherwise.
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I opened one to check whether they had the correct details of the person's mother (which is our connection). His mother wasn't on the record - her son's wife was French and many of his descendants lived in France.
I would prefer they have no parents for him rather than incorrect ones, so it's all good. Geneanet was very useful for finding his descendants though. I confirmed the details with supporting records.
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I had an Ancestry hint for Geneanet and I did click on it and it turned out to be one of my 2nd cousins 2 x removed.!
His tree is not on ancestry so it was interesting to have a look around the site and see how it works… it’s the only hint I’ve had so far… don’t think it will put me off checking as you never know what you’ll find!
Caroline
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Please don't tell me...more rubbish to contend with i.e. trees with wrong info?
Annie
Well, in my experience, they are a little more reliable and carefully researched, partly because they don't have any of the ridiculous Ancestry hints and tree suggestions popping up ;D :o.
I had a geneanet hint today, and looking at the tree, I would also say (at least in this case) it was more reliable than many Ancestry trees, possibly because as far as I know you cannot / could not just copy great chunks of other people's trees whether they were right or wrong.
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I'm finding it useful
I look at the suggestions ..which as rosin says do seem to be more plausible than Ancestry hints
Then check for documents.
It seems to be particularly reliable for the UTAH community.
But of course has mistakes too
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I had a message from someone today who find my Geneanet tree through Ancestry hints and she informed.me that she and some of her much alive family members were visible. I haven’t touched the tree for years but somehow the privacy settings had changed. If you have a Geneanet tree I suggest you check your settings. I had similar with Genes Reunited years ago - every time I added anything to it the settings reverted to making living people visible
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I came across one today which offered a potential parent but no documentary evidence so it was ignored.
Is there any place for sources on a Geneanet tree? I have checked several this morning and although mostly I agree with the element of the trees that I can see I can't find a way to view any sources at all so can't check they are correct?
Is it a case of finding a possible source yourself from your usual sites and just use the geneanet tree as a guide.
As for the previous comment that the son's wife was French, well I think that's because it is in French as it is a French site. However there is the option to view in English which then anglicises all the names so they appear as we know them.
Pheno
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A distant relation put my personal details on their Geneanet tree and it appeared on Ancestry for all to see.
They took it down as soon as I informed them. It's worth checking to see if you are there too!
rayard.
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A distant relation put my personal details on their Geneanet tree and it appeared on Ancestry for all to see.
They took it down as soon as I informed them. It's worth checking to see if you are there too!
rayard.
So it’s just happened to someone else- see my reply #12. Funny it’ since Ancestry took over - or just a coincidence. I’ve deleted my tree.
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I've been on geneanet for years. When I had a Premium membership I could download massive numbers of images for BMDs that were original sources. But using their trees as records through Anc is fraught with problems and I think ill advised.
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I came across one today which offered a potential parent but no documentary evidence so it was ignored.
Is there any place for sources on a Geneanet tree?
I can't find a way to view any sources at all so can't check they are correct?
Is it a case of finding a possible source yourself from your usual sites and just use the geneanet tree as a guide.
antiquesam...
Not sure why you'd 'ignore' it rather than go looking for it yourself?
Pheno...
From past experience, people copying info. from my tree, I don't ever put my source info!
It's just as easy to copy 'source' info. as it is to copy any other info!
I feel if someone/anyone is genuine they'll contact me to enquire where I got my info.
I'm not paying hundreds/thousands of £s (over 25 + yrs) for Certs. & Subscriptions for anyone to copy & paste my 'source' info. having not spent a penny, simple as that :P
To me, a Geneanet tree would be no different to an Ancestry/Family Search or any other tree, okay as you say as a 'guide' which can sometimes be helpful but I've never relied on others' research/sources & most 'sources' I've found in other trees are usually from other 'Ancestry trees' although more recently I've come across more genuine researchers (in a particular area of my research) with primary sources attached but I've usually already bought the cert. & verified the info. prior to adding the person to my tree.
I'm not saying I pay for all certs. as I couldn't afford to but where I don't have certs. I do research every available 'resource' & check all details thoroughly to conclude my findings are correct.
Annie
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Sorry I didn't make myself totally clear and until you mentioned about copying sources Annie like copying people it actually hadn't crossed my mind.
I was asking from the point of view of perhaps finding the same person in a geneanet tree as i have wondered about in my tree but haven't added as couldn't source the info. I would be interested to see the source info in the geneanet tree so that I could then verify it myself but I wasn't expecting that source info to be certificates. At least not the actual certificate, although maybe just a reference to a certificate that I could follow up. Most of my instances like this are too far back for certificates anyway but if there were something to indicate the source was a parish register/will etc then it would be searchable for verification (certanly wouldn't just accept it).
I am not a geneanet member - maybe becoming that might display sources?
Pheno
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I was asking from the point of view of perhaps finding the same person in a geneanet tree as i have wondered about in my tree but haven't added as couldn't source the info. I would be interested to see the source info in the geneanet tree so that I could then verify it myself but I wasn't expecting that source info to be certificates.
As I mentioned earlier, I never give my source info. as so much of my info. has been copied over the years, some with wrong info. (which I've seen from hints), same name but wrong YoB & born in a different country.
If people can add hints with info. which is very clearly wrong, they're not going to use time/effort/expense to purchase whatever cert. I may give a ref. to e.g...
Scotlandspeople (SP) - BC - Joe Bloggs - 1885 - Cert. No. 12345 - Parish Dalziel - County Lanark
They'll copy the source info. without spending a penny...my tree is now private.
Annie
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Used the first Geneatnet hint today.
It gave me a marriage and surname where all I had was the baptism of their son to George and Ann.
Found the marriage record, still not a lot on them.
They both still have the ? as profile image signifying more research needed.
There is also a big BUT, in that another Geneatnet hint has her being born in 1710 where the marriage is in 1724.
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‘ Why should 'Anc' be allowed to advertise others' trees as 'Record' hints
if there are no source 'records' to view?
Annie
Because they are too big for their boots.
and, I will just remind readers that they can lead a horse to water but they can’t make it drink.
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https://en.geneanet.org/genealogyblog/post/2021/08/geneanet-joins-ancestry-the-world-largest-genealogy-company
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All my geneanet “hints” go back to my own geneanet tree. I’ve now deleted it since it was years out of date. Eg death quoted as between 1851 and 1861 based on census information, replaced with actual date in Ancestry tree having later located death reg and bought certificate
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I am now getting such hints on a regular basis. It is either info that is already on my tree or wrong in detail. I don't trust it at all.
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Geneanet trees are no different than Ancestry trees because they are someone else's research. If you look at the hints and then do your own research then there is no problem.
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Got another "hint" from Ancestry linking to a Geneanet tree today
Definitely 100% accurate !
Because it was a link to my own Geneanet tree ;D
The one I deleted a few weeks ago !
how can it happen that Ancestry are sending me hints from a tree which no longer exists?
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Because as Ancestry say, any changes "usually take about a month or more to be reflected in the search index".
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I have seen Geneanet trees appearing as hints on Ancestry, but unfortunately they are of dubious accuracy. Only yesterday I found an aunt’s death recorded as 1980, when I actually attended her funeral in 1999. The big problem here is that about 15 Ancestry trees have happily copied the incorrect information - no proof recorded in any of them. It is frustrating to see this, and I have no idea how this can be corrected.
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The amount of times I have seen hints on Ancestry being accepted when it soon transpires it is another couple of the same name, such as it is established a John and Mary Hamilton were having children in Cromer, Norfolk in the 1770s, then an Ancestry user has accepted a hint of a Charles Hamilton buried in Truro, Cornwall in 1772 son of "John and Mary Hamilton". 99.999% chance it is a totally different couple, so you need to show some very compelling evidence that it was the same couple. If in the unlikely event the Cornwall burial of Charles Hamilton had said "Son of John and Mary Hamilton, Father a mariner of Cromer, Norfolk" then I would accept it.
Geneanet trees are of course no more accurate than Anc trees and I never accept any hints until I check for myself.
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It's too late to correct all the faults now. There are too many (millions?) of them in ancestry and geneanet trees. Never accept hints as facts. Do your own research.
Martin
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It's too late to correct all the faults now. There are too many (millions?) of them in ancestry and geneanet trees. Never accept hints as facts. Do your own research.
Martin
It's not just hint. Births, deaths, marriages all appear with nary a document or record. What's the point of research if it's undocumented? I can be maddening.
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And we have all seen the trees on Ancestry which has someone in the 1851 census who died in 1720.
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A few days ago Ancestry sent me a Hint to a Geneanet Tree.
Now I am the worlds most sceptical person about trees produced by others, and the Hint was just plain wrong.
I did click on the link and yes, it was wrong, so I messaged the owner and there have been an interchange of messages between us.
The last one admitting that they had inherited the tree and they had been given other erroneous inclusions to compound it and that the tree did include errors.
So please apply “Due Diligence” to any Ancestry hint that you may receive.
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It's not just hint. Births, deaths, marriages all appear with nary a document or record. What's the point of research if it's undocumented? I can be maddening.
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If you do not have a subscription to Ancestry you cannot add records to your tree.