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Title: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: elizabethh on Friday 19 August 22 11:04 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace a marriage between Stephen Agen and Maria Steen, who had a daughter Annie, born 1835 plus/minus 2 years - they moved at some time to the USA, where my currentl research is taking place, however I am hopeful of the irish connection.  Annie's place of birth is stated as Tipperary,  any help would be gratefully accepted.  Thank- you Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 19 August 22 11:50 BST (UK)
Background on previous thread for daughter Annie (Agen) Golden Park-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865045.msg7351440#msg7351440

Are you sure Stephen and Maria actually moved to the U.S.? I can't see any mention of that in earlier topic.

Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: elizabethh on Friday 19 August 22 12:10 BST (UK)
Still fairly early on in the research, and no I have no proof that the pair moved to the USA only that the daughter was there.  Anyway thank you for your reply  Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: shanreagh on Friday 19 August 22 12:27 BST (UK)
Still fairly early on in the research, and no I have no proof that the pair moved to the USA only that the daughter was there.  Anyway thank you for your reply  Elizabeth.

When did the daughter travel to the US?
Did she remain there?
What document had the name Tipperary on it? 
Did she have siblings?
Did they travel to the US?

Where has the name Agen come from?  Was it on the daughter's immigration record/shipping list?  When does she first appear in the US?

ETA
When searching for ancestors in Ireland it is essential to know the religion. What religion was Annie? 
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 19 August 22 13:01 BST (UK)
When did the daughter travel to the US?
Did she remain there?
What document had the name Tipperary on it? 
Did she have siblings?
Did they travel to the US?

Where has the name Agen come from?  Was it on the daughter's immigration record/shipping list?  When does she first appear in the US?
ETA
When searching for ancestors in Ireland it is essential to know the religion. What religion was Annie? 

From other thread which I linked in reply #1-

Marriage of William Park & Annie Golden in 1871 (which took place in a Catholic church) gives names of her parents-
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7838349
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: Maggsie on Friday 19 August 22 13:14 BST (UK)
Hi.
Agen ........cannot find that name in the Tithe records.
Steen are here........ right hand page 13th line from the bottom..up.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=steen&firstname=&county=Tipperary&parish=&townland=&search=Search
The map.
https://www.bing.com/maps?q=Inislounaght%20Abbey&satid=id.sid%3A3c654be6-cee2-958d-58fb-3dcc9b18640a
I searched other places sorry but still no Agen results.
Maggsie
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: oldohiohome on Friday 19 August 22 15:43 BST (UK)
Background on previous thread for daughter Annie (Agen) Golden Park-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865045.msg7351440#msg7351440

Are you sure Stephen and Maria actually moved to the U.S.? I can't see any mention of that in earlier topic.

Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
Haven't seen her parents in the US yet, but haven't looked hard either.
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No Agen on Griffith's either
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https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=steen&surname=eagan

searching for anywhere in Ireland where the surnames Steen and Eagan are found together on Griffith's Valuation - the only place is Shankill Parish, Belfast

for Steen
County         Civil parish   Households
Belfast city   Shankill   15

for Eagan
County   Civil parish   Households
Belfast city   Shankill   1

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the only Eagan I found was Hugh Eagan on Hopeton Street, Shankill Parish, St Ann's Ward, renting a house and yard.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Griffith's Valuation was taken in Antrim in 1861-1862
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: oldohiohome on Friday 19 August 22 15:44 BST (UK)
a possible emigration date.
arriving October 2 1855, NYC, on the Isaac Hughs from Liverpool
Ann Agen, 25, spinster, born in Ireland
I couldn't read the exact date of arrival, but it looks like about October 2, 1855 from the pages before and after this ship.
she is on image 152 of the manifest:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27RZ-QTM

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if it's her, she didn't arrive with her parents. But - she didn't have an occupation either, which might tell you something about her family's economic status.
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: oldohiohome on Friday 19 August 22 16:08 BST (UK)
When searching for ancestors in Ireland it is essential to know the religion. What religion was Annie? 

From other thread which I linked in reply #1-
Marriage of William Park & Annie Golden in 1871 (which took place in a Catholic church) gives names of her parents-
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7838349

"The Church of the Holy Apostles is an Episcopal parish located at 296 Ninth Avenue at 28th Street in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, New York City. Its historic church building was built from 1845 to 1848"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Apostles_(Manhattan)
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: shanreagh on Friday 19 August 22 22:03 BST (UK)
Background on previous thread for daughter Annie (Agen) Golden Park-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865045.msg7351440#msg7351440

Are you sure Stephen and Maria actually moved to the U.S.? I can't see any mention of that in earlier topic.

Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
Haven't seen her parents in the US yet, but haven't looked hard either.
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No Agen on Griffith's either
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https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=steen&surname=eagan

searching for anywhere in Ireland where the surnames Steen and Eagan are found together on Griffith's Valuation - the only place is Shankill Parish, Belfast

for Steen
County         Civil parish   Households
Belfast city   Shankill   15

for Eagan
County   Civil parish   Households
Belfast city   Shankill   1

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the only Eagan I found was Hugh Eagan on Hopeton Street, Shankill Parish, St Ann's Ward, renting a house and yard.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Griffith's Valuation was taken in Antrim in 1861-1862

There are 3904 Egan records on Griffiths!

And 1491 Egan records on the The tithe Applotment books

Hours of fun!

ETA I think looking at Annie's hesitant signature on the marriage document that she may not have been fully comfortable with reading/writing and therefore not able to correct a mistranscription of her name.....bearing in mind she would have had an accent and people writing records for her would have written what they heard. This may not been the way it was often written in the country of origin. 

Thank you Aghadowey for the tip about possible spelling of the name in Ireland.
Title: Re: Stephen Agen and Maria Steen
Post by: oldohiohome on Friday 19 August 22 22:45 BST (UK)

There are 3904 Egan records on Griffiths!
And 1491 Egan records on the The tithe Applotment books
Hours of fun!

ETA I think looking at Annie's hesitant signature on the marriage document that she may not have been fully comfortable with reading/writing and therefore not able to correct a mistranscription of her name.....bearing in mind she would have had an accent and people writing records for her would have written what they heard. This may not been the way it was often written in the country of origin. 

Thank you Aghadowey for the tip about possible spelling of the name in Ireland.

Right about the Egans. I forgot the lady was from Tipperary and was only looking in Shankill, because that is the only place that Steen and Eagan were both found on Griffith's Valuation. - Not sure about Steen and Egan -  I don't know how John Grenham's surname search handles sound alike names.
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Regarding Annie's signature, a possible match for widow Annie (Agen) Golden on the 1870 census. said she couldn't read or write English.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8D1-R7S
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There were a few other Agens in New York at the time, so she wasn't the only one spelling it that way. Not to say that they all couldn't have been Eagan or Egan somewhere else.
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Still no closer to finding her death and burial in the US or her Irish origin, though.