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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Jang on Friday 19 August 22 07:32 BST (UK)
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I've just stumbled across the death of a child on 23 April 1853 in Rotterdam, father Charles Robinson, mother Hannah Coulson on Ancestry (also found it on FamilySearch).
Being completely unfamiliar with these records I'm at a loss to follow this up.
I have the parents' marriage info:
Charles Robinson, full age, widower, commercial traveller, res St Saviours Southwark , father James Robinson, gentleman
Hannah Coulson, full age, spinster, res St Saviours Southwark, father Thomas Coulson flax dresser
Wits George Coulson Catherine Green
and suspect they may have remained/died in the Netherlands as they disappeared from English records.
Can anyone help?
Jan
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Here's the family on the 1860 population register in Oppert, Rotterdam
https://www.openarch.nl/srt:F4522872-7211-4E33-BDE6-0A067A63C087
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Robinson - on the 4th inst., at Monkend-terrace, Croft, Charles Robinson, late of Rotterdam, aged 68.
York Herald, 8 November 1884 page 4
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It looks like Hannah died in 1867 in Darlington
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/44075186
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1850 Population Register (image 193)
https://stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/zoek-en-ontdek/archieven/zoekresultaat-archieven/?mizig=236&miadt=184&miaet=54&micode=494-03.41&minr=25976773&miview=ldt
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Wow, thanks so much ShaunJ, I never would have found this info. It will take me some to time to make sense of it all. It looks like the children were from Charles's first marriage so that should help in identifying his first wife. It makes sense for Hannah to die in Darlington as that as where she was born and her brother and his family lived. And I need to find out what Charles was doing n Croft.
Fantastic info!
Jan
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Charles is in Croft in the 1881 census with a wife Jane of the same age (64), born in Croft
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Well that's a shock - a third wife!
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Charles will proved 1884, probate to son James of Darlington merchant, and John Tidyman, farmer of Bellerby, yks.
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Could be marriage
Charles Robinson, Jane Wilkinson Darlington Sept q 1869 10a 5
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There's a James Robinson death in Rotterdam in 1856. Age 70, born Whitehaven. Could it be Charles' father ? Father Charles, spouse/partner Anna Mitchell
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/64383201
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ShaunJ and fiddlerslass, a belated huge thank you! It's certainly been interesting putting this family together. I never could have done it without your help.
I'm not sure about the James Robinson who died in 1856 in Rotterdam being Charles's father. It seems likely but the Netherlands site threw up a lot of Robinsons in Rotterdam. Still some work for me to do here.
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I'm not sure about the James Robinson who died in 1856 in Rotterdam being Charles's father. It seems likely but the Netherlands site threw up a lot of Robinsons in Rotterdam. Still some work for me to do here.
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Alien file Antwerp, Belgium:
Charles Robinson with his wife in Antwerp (21 August 1863), clerk to Mr. Ellerman consul of Hanover
his parents: James Robinson and Anne Metschil (Mitchell as SchaunJ mentioned?), both deceased
last residence abroad: North street n° 1, Darlington, England
(click on vreemdelingendossier.pdf)
https://felixarchief.antwerpen.be/detailpagina?invnr=481_20052&dtnr=100_2962&dtrecordid=125257&page=1&pageSize=10&type=copy
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Thanks for finding this document, TreeSpirit, it's good to have the relationship confirmed.
leen, many thanks for finding Charles Robinson in Antwerp. I hadn't even considered another location. I had been wondering what he was doing in the Netherlands - now I know.
I'm finding these records difficult to understand at times but I'm so glad they kept such good ones. Generally I can work out what the headings mean in most documents.
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marriage date of son John Robinson mentioned in colomn 10 (31/10/66) on the 1860 population register, (see ShaunJ’s reply #1)
marriage John Robinson, 33 years old, born in Saint Saviour, Surrey, England, son of Charles Robinson, residing Darlington, England and Margaret Brockbank, deceased.
x 31 October 1866 Rotterdam with Wilhelmina Catharina Keuzekamp
https://hdl.handle.net/21.12133/6E9E5A7E45A14268BC9CF9890193BD0C
marriage attachments image 208 up to 215
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-5LS3-T?i=207&cc=1576401&cat=153344
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Wow, leen, this information is gold! It shows the name of Charles Robinson's first wife, Margaret Brockbank - when I had married him off to someone else! Disaster averted. Now I can go back and find the rest of their family born in England. Thanks so much!
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Possible death of Margaret Brockbank
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2XK-749X
https://www.openarch.nl/srt:fccace45-a740-9c63-2527-d64cdd399827
John
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Thanks John, that fits. Charles remarried to Hannah Coulson in 1851. Their marriage certificate described him as a widower.
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Birth of son John to Charles & Margaret born 16.7.1843
ROBINSON, JOHN BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in SAINT SAVIOURS UNION Volume 04 Page 482
John
Added, son James birth 16.1 1841
ROBINSON, JAMES BROCKBANK
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in PATELEY BRIDGE UNION Volume 23 Page 491
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marriage John Robinson, 33 years old
23 years old
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Sorry ShaunJ, bit slow on the uptake this morning, have I missed something,
John
Added, I got there in the end.
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Possibly this family in 1841 in Mickley, Kirkby Malzeard (Ripon)
If so, Charles is missing
James Robinson 55 Flax dresser Not born in county
Ann Robinson 55 Not born in county
James Robinson 15 Flax dresser Born in county
Elizabeth Robinson 14 Flax spinner Born in county
William Brook 40 Hawker Not born in county
Margaret Robinson 25 Ind Not born in county
James Robinson 4 months Born in county
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And a possible marriage in 3Q 1839:
BROCKLAND Margaret Pateley Bridge 23 407
ROBINSON Charles Pateley Bridge 23 407
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The niece Sarah Ann Preston who appears on the 1860 Rotterdam register was the daughter of William Preston and Elizabeth Robinson. In 1861 she is back in Darlington - and her grandmother Ann Robinson is there too:
William Preston Head 46 Woollen factory overlooker- Darlington
Elizabeth Preston Wife 32 - Selby
William Preston Son 19 Newspaper reporter - Darlington
Sarah A Preston Daughter 8 - Darlington
Mary J Preston Daughter 4 - Darlington
Catherine Daughter 2 - Darlington
Ann Robinson mother 76 - Whitehaven
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Thanks again for the feedback. it seems William Preston married twice, as Elizabeth is too young to be the mother of 19 year old William in the 1861 census.
I do think the marriage you found for Charles Robinson and Margaret Brockland was the right one, especially given the place of birth for their son James in 1841
And the details in the 1841 census seem to fit to. Could Charles have already gone to Rotterdam? Or was he away working? When he married Hannah Coulson in 1841, his occupation was commercial traveller.
This family sure has proven to be interesting :-)