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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: elizabethh on Wednesday 17 August 22 19:34 BST (UK)
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From research I find that the above lady married a William Park in Manhattan, New York on the 6th September 1871. She was the daughter of Stephen Agen and Maria Steen her estimated date of birth is 1835 in Tipperary Ireland. William remarries in 1885, again in Manhatton so I am assuming that Ann
died between 1871 and 1885. Could anyone give me clues as to where to turn next - cannot seem to find a death., any help greatly appreciated. Regards Elizabeth
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The second wife Annie Menzie Plain born 1840 Midlothian, Scotland
died 19 Dec 1896 (aged 55–56) Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Buried Green-Wood Cemetery
Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
PLOT Lot 14964, Section 1
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/58393496/annie-m-park
Did not see Annie Golden Park or William buried there.
marriage 8 November 1885 Manhattan does nt state William Park's marital status - just known :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SK-C7B?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=9C18-BYC
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/9C18-BYC
Sandra
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William & Annie #2's actual marriage record is here - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7822950 It only says it was his 2nd marriage and not what happened to Annie #1.
William & Annie #1's marriage record is here - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7838349
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Thank-you to Sandra and Shellyesq for your replies and information. William was the youngest child of Thomas and Isabella Park. I am now trying to find the death of wife no 1 as well as conducting a search of her 'scottish' history. You have both been a great help. Regards elizabeth
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elizabeth, have you found William in the 1880 census? Annie should be with him if she was still alive at that time.
Thank-you to Sandra and Shellyesq for your replies and information. William was the youngest child of Thomas and Isabella Park. I am now trying to find the death of wife no 1 as well as conducting a search of her 'scottish' history. You have both been a great help. Regards elizabeth
Are you trying to find her Scottish or Irish history?
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Got slightly confused there - should be Irish history for Annie Golden, formerly Agen, daughter of Stephen Agen and Maria Steen. Not sure how far I will get with Irish records as many were sent to Dublin and lost. Elizabeth
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Presume Annie was previously married, was that in Ireland or the USA ?
Sandra
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If I read the marriage record correctly maiden name stated Annie Agen - that agrees with father's name Stephen Agen - then name of wife Annie Golden. I haven't found when/where she was previously married, or when the family moved to the USA - her place of birth is given as Tipperary Ireland. This is next on my list.. I have to admit that I have only had a couple of journeys into american records with my family. Regards Elizabeth p.s. other statement no of wife's marriage - second.
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Annie Agen's first husband was Henry Golden.
from the image of the marriage record:
her address at the time was 109 W 36th
William's occupation: liquor dealer.
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NY City Directory
image 1632 starts year ending May 1, 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3DB-LSR1?i=1631&cc=3754697
Ann Golden, widow of Henry, home 109 W 36th [image 1900]
Ann Park, widow of Joseph J, home 183 Mulberry*
Park & Tilford, grocers, 2 addresses, neither his home acc to marriage record
* included just because she was there. no necessary relation, but it might help rule someone out earlier or later.
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I saw an ad along the way for Park and Tilford, purveyors of fine groceries, wines, and Havana cigars, so I think Wm Park is the Park in that partnership. but none of the listings gave a home address for him. just the store addresses.
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this might or might not be the right Henry Golden. It looks good, since there is no good match for "your" Ann in this directory.
City directory
image 2076 in this link starts year ending May 1, 1868
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZV6-3YL3
Ann Golden, h 212 South
Ann Golden, widow of Patrick, h 178 Laurens
Henry S Golden, carman, h 209 W 26th [all image 2292]
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if so, he died about 1868, 1869, since ...
City Directory for the year ending May 1, 1869
Ann Golden, bdgh. [boarding house] 109 W 36th
no other Golden at that address
Wm Park, grocer, 2 addresses, neither his home, I don't think.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZMP-RVHQ <- link to Ann Golden's page
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I stopped there. There are a few earlier directories that he or she might be in, and I didn't look for them in 1860, their marriage, or his death. And I didn't look very hard for Anne in 1870.
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Annie Agen's first husband was Henry Golden.
from the image of the marriage record:
her address at the time was 109 W 36th
William's occupation: liquor dealer.
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NY City Directory
image 1632 starts year ending May 1, 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3DB-LSR1?i=1631&cc=3754697
Ann Golden, widow of Henry, home 109 W 36th [image 1900]
Ann Park, widow of Joseph J, home 183 Mulberry*
Park & Tilford, grocers, 2 addresses, neither his home acc to marriage record
* included just because she was there. no necessary relation, but it might help rule someone out earlier or later.
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I saw an ad along the way for Park and Tilford, purveyors of fine groceries, wines, and Havana cigars, so I think Wm Park is the Park in that partnership. but none of the listings gave a home address for him. just the store addresses.
I tried an internet search for
“Park & Tilford” New York
According to one website, a Joseph Park, born in 1823 in New York, was the co-founder of a firm with the above name.
[I don’t like to provide links to unknown, possibly unsecure sites.]
I did not read through the material to see if there was any connection to William Park.
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I tried an internet search for
“Park & Tilford” New York
According to one website, a Joseph Park, born in 1823 in New York, was the co-founder of a firm with the above name.
[I don’t like to provide links to unknown, possibly unsecure sites.]
I did not read through the material to see if there was any connection to William Park.
Then there weren't any listings for William at all.
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Henry Golden's death
Name Henry Golden
Sex Male
Age 35
Burial Date 29 May 1868
Death Date 27 May 1868
Death Place Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Birthplace England
Marital Status Unknown
Race White
Event Type Death
Certificate Number cn 9496
Cemetery Cty Cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WN1-NN3
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Henry wasn't listed in 1865, I don't know if he was there earlier or not. He shows up in 1866, 1867, and 1868 [in a previous post]
1865-1868 Directories
image 9 starts year ending May 1, 1865
no Harry Golden
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-J3DB-LKBG?i=8&cc=3754697
image 631 starts year ending May 1, 1866
Henry N Golden, carman, home 119 W 26th
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3DB-L59V?i=630&cc=3754697
image 1335 starts year ending May 1, 1867
Henry N Golden, carman, home 209 W 26th [image 1538]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-J3DB-LV3P?i=1537&cc=3754697
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could be Annie in 1870
1870 Census, New York City,
familysearch says Ward 20
census page says 22nd and 20th Ward
Annie Golden, 40, house keeper, born in Ireland, parents foreign born, personal estate: $1000
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8D1-R7S
If that is her, then she must have been considerably older than her second husband, Wm Park.
edited He might have added a few years to try to meet her in the middle on their marriage license. He said he was 31.
Maybe not, that tree on familysearch says he was in the 1841 UK Census, age 1, with parents Thomas and Isabella.
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To possibly confuse things, there is this family as well:
1870 New York census
Henry N Golden, 55, born New Jersey. Occupation - Carman.
Ann Golden, 45
Henry Golden, 7
Walter Golden, 5
William Golden, 3
All but Henry were born in New York.
Just adding this to rule out possible future findings about a Henry N Golden.
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Thank you, Lisa in CA, I didn't even think to check if the carman lived past 1868. Here he is later:
1873 to 1875 group of city directories
Henry N Golden, carman, h 161 W 27th
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CBG-7S9N
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I think there were two men with the same names, both married to an Ann (but one Ann was older and born in New York).
Before you found Henry’s 1868 death, I believe I came across a directory entry that had Ann (widow of Henry) and a Henry N Golden, Driver (at different addresses). In California (but possibly later, during the 1880s), carman also could mean driver. (In my husband’s ancestors’ case, they were employed to run streetcars.)
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Just posted on new thread on Tipperary board-
Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
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Got slightly confused there - should be Irish history for Annie Golden, formerly Agen, daughter of Stephen Agen and Maria Steen. Not sure how far I will get with Irish records as many were sent to Dublin and lost. Elizabeth
The records lost in Dublin were mainly early Wills and Church of Ireland registers. Pre-1901 census records were pulped after population statistics were extracted. No vital records (civil births, marriages, deaths) were lost. Catholic registers also survive.
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Just posted on new thread on Tipperary board-
Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
Thank you for letting us know. I'll put some of what I found over there.
The Tipperary thread is here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865110.msg7352264
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arriving October 2 1855, NYC, on the Isaac Hughs from Liverpool
Ann Agen, 25, spinster, born in Ireland
I couldn't read the exact date of arrival, but it looks like about October 2, 1855 from the pages before and after this ship.
image 152
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27RZ-QTM
I'll put this here also. if it is her, we will know when she arrived. and without parents.
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Henry Golden's death
Burial Date 29 May 1868
Death Date 27 May 1868
Death Place Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Certificate Number cn 9496
Cemetery Cty Cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WN1-NN3
Annie might be buried with her first husband. If you can figure out what they meant by "city cemetery" you might be able to contact the cemetery.
he's not buried here
http://marblecemetery.org/
or here
https://www.nycmc.org/home.html
or here
https://recordagrave.org/records/Trinity-Church-Cemetery-and-Mausoleum/Rememberance
or from here
https://trinitywallstreet.org/history-archives/churchyards-registers
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More N.Y.C. Cemeteries-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cemeteries_in_New_York_City
It's possible that Annie & her first husband had family and she could be buried with them.
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Annie might be buried with her first husband. If you can figure out what they meant by "city cemetery" you might be able to contact the cemetery.
I don't know if Cty cemetery necessarily means city cemetery. Hart Island (which was the "potter's field") was known as City Cemetery, but didn't start burying people there until 1869. I thought maybe it was an abbreviation for Calvary, but that was Catholic and he was from England, so I'm guessing he wasn't Catholic.
It might be helpful to see the actual record, but looks like that time frame/location was not digitized. https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/digital-vital-records
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Being born in England doesn't preclude Henry from being Catholic.
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It doesn't preclude it, but not terribly likely either.
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Her second marriage, 1871 to Wm Park, was in an Episcopal Church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Apostles_(Manhattan)
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https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/digital-vital-records
I looked at what has been digitalized and found these.
Patrick Agen age 2 in 1865, no cemetery named. John Agen, age 2, 1868, buried in Flatbush Cemetery.
Mary Agan, d 1872, buried in Calvary. William Agan, 1874, Calvary. Elizabeth Agan, 1874, Calvary.
no Eagans buried in Manhattan 1855 to 1875.
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It's always possible she was Catholic and married Wm Park in the Episcopal Church anyway.