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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: DanielSC20 on Sunday 14 August 22 03:07 BST (UK)
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Hi all. Looking for a bit of help on this man, his name is William Ruddock. Last name has also been down as Ruddocks, Reddick(s) or Riddick(s).
Died February 26th 1876 in Annbank, death cert says he was 98 years old but I think this is a stretch. I think he was most likely early in his early nineties. He was born in Ireland, and according to his death cert and his daughters marriage certificate he was married to an Ann Jess/Jefs. Ann is listed as living when her daughter Grace got married in 1858, but is deceased by the time William died in 1876.
William and Ann had 4 children that I know of
Hugh (1811-1867)
Alexander (1818-?)
Jane (1822-1909)
John (1823-?)
Samuel (1827-1863)
Grace (1834-1919)
Some trees say that Ann was born in 1803 and died 1850, but they have little to no sources, and even if she was born in 1803 I highly doubt she gave birth to Hugh at 8 years old.
The only record I seem to have found of Ann is her listed as the mother on her son, Alexanders baptism in Ireland, and her other son, John's baptism in 1823.
Graces 1919 death cert says parents are William Reddick and Annie Campbell. Maybe Grace is actually old Williams granddaughter, and William had a son called William who also married an Annie?
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Is them in 1841 in Ayr?
Wille Ruddock 40 Lab born Ireland
Ann Ruddock 45 born Ireland
Alexr Ruddock 15
Janet Ruddock 14
John Ruddock 11
Saml Ruddock 8
Robt Ruddock 6
Grace Ruddock 4
Wm Ruddock 20
1851 Ann is not there;
William Reddick 60
John Reddick 25
Robert Reddick 21
Grace Reddick 17
John Mornson 34
Isabella Dickson 30
William Morrison 6
Margaret Morrison 3
So she may have died 1841-1851 although not down as deceased on Graces M/C?
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For those trying to help;
1861 Census
James Rodgers 60 Head
Ann Rodgers 56 Wife
Andrew Hamilton 18 Son
William Ruddock 76 Lodger (1785)
Mary Mcroberts 80 Lodger
Alex Ruddock 34 Lodger
1871 Census
James Rodgars 69 Head
Ann Rodgars 68 Wife
William Ruddock 87 Brother-in-law born Ireland (1784)
I dont have access to see original images.
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Scotlands People has several Reddox deaths in Ayrshire between 1841-1851. Mainly children but there is an entry 29.12.1849 for a 64yr old female but no christian name
Neither the 1841 or 1851 has any entries for that surname
EDIT - sorry - just realised Ann was only 45 in 1841 so cannot be her
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The 1841 & 1851 censuses posted by Trish are on freecen, 1851 below.
REDDICK William Head W 60 Agricultural Labourer Ireland -
REDDICK John Son U 25 Collier - Oncostman Ireland -
REDDICK Robert Son U 21 Agricultural Labourer Ireland -
REDDICK Grace Dau U 17 Hand Sewer Ireland -
MANSON John Lodger M 34 Collier - Oncostman Ayrshire Ayr
DICKSON Isabella Lodger M 30 Hand Sewer Wigtownshire New Luce
MORRISON William Lodger - 6 Ayrshire Ayr
MORRISON Margaret Lodger - 3 Ayrshire Coylton
Colin
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Thanks Colin.
I dont type up the whole census anymore as I have found in recent years people seem to have more access.
Or maybe I've got lazier ;D
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I know the feeling Trish. The strange thing on this family is the 1841 census states all children born Ayrshire but the ones still with their father in 1851 state Ireland. I do not see any baptisms for the name in Ayrshire on SP.
Colin
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These look to be marriages on SP for some of the family?
REDDOCH ANN JAMES RODGERS 12/07/1845 Ayr
RIDDACH ALEXANDER MARGARET CARROL 11/12/1844 Ayr
RIDDOCH SAMUEL MARY BROWN 11/10/1845 Ayr
RUDDOCK JOHN MARGARET CHALMERS 17/07/1853 Ayr
RUDDOCK WILLIAM MARGARET CAMPBELL 22/01/1842 Ayr
Colin
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Hi all, thanks so far for these censuses and marriages etc
So if those are correct, I would assume William was actually born around the turn of the century, but perhaps in later years his age was exaggerated, and as his actual age increased, as did his 'fake age', until he was well into his 90s. So perhaps on his 1876 death cert he was actually aged around 75-85?
Although, there is still his older children, in particular, Hugh who's year of birth puzzles me. It may be worth noting, that William had a brother called John, John died in 1868 aged 84. Maybe the brothers have been muddled up?
Edit: Hugh's 1867 death cert says father William Ruddock is still alive, and mother Anne (maiden name not listed) is deceased.
2nd edit: Samuel's death cert in 1863, father William is still alive and mother Anne Jefs is deceased.
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Mmm I think the clue is Ann Rodgers, Sister of William, as to a more accurate age for him.
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James Rodgers was married to Ann KERR who died 1841 according to Trees.
NOT there are 2 James Rodgers around with different occps so am a little confused myself but:
F/S has;
Marriage 12 July 1845
Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
James RODGERS to Ann REDDOCH
OOps just noticed Colin had posted this
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Are you saying that Ann was married previously to a Kerr, and then after Mr Kerr died she remarried to James Rodgers?
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" Ann is listed as living when her daughter Grace got married in 1858"
Who did Grace marry in 1858?
Ancestry Census Scotland 1881 at 254 High St Ayr Ayrshire
JESS Ann 70y head b. Ireland
BAIRD Hugh 15y g.son labourer b. Ayr
BAIRD Sarah 12y dau scholar b. Ayr Ayrshire
McKNIGHT Jane 30y boarder mill work b. Tarbolton Ayrshire
LITTLE Catherine 49y boarder out work b. Ireland
LITTLE Amy 16y boarder mill work b. Ayr
LITTLE Janet 9y boarder scholar b. Ayr
next household
CAMPBELL John 58y labourer b. Calmonel Ayrshire
CAMPBELL Agnes 58y wife b. Kirkoswald, Ayrshire
CAMPBELL James 19y son joiner b. Ayr Ayrshire
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James Rodgers married Ann KERR c 1833 and she died and he then married Ann REDDOCH 1845
Which brings us to this Census I posted earlier;
1871 Census
James Rodgars 69 Head
Ann Rodgars 68 Wife
William Ruddock 87 Brother-in-law born Ireland (1784)
So if this is your William and the transcript is correct (I cant acccess original) then Ann was William Sister and her Death Cert may be of help?
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" Ann is listed as living when her daughter Grace got married in 1858"
Who did Grace marry in 1858?
GRACE RIDDICK married JAMES DOUGLAS 1856 Ayr
Colin
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Hi, the marriage seems to have a transcription error, husband is actually Joseph Douglas but yes that's them. I must have accidentally typed in 1858 instead of 56, sorry.
I don't have any credits on SP at the moment, so can't get Ann's death certificate. Nor have I actually been able to find her death on SP.
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Deaths recorded prior to 1855 are rare although you may find a record of a burial if you're lucky.
Statutory records for Births/Marriage/Deaths in Scotland began in 1855 & are full of useful info. which isn't recorded in any other years forward.
Annie
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It's a known fact, ages on census' can often be out as many people were illiterate & guesses were made.
Death certs. are the most unreliable sources of ages as the info. is given by someone other than the subject themselves & often ages were a guess & names of parents a guess.
Who were the informants on the death certs. you have for the family to date?
It's always worth doing a timeline of events with notes of any discrepancies which makes it easier to work out true possibilities.
Annie
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Well, the informant on old Williams is his son in law, William Clark. The husband of his daughter, Jean.
His daughter Grace, died in 1919, the informant on that death certificate is her son, William Douglas.
It may be worth noting that William was just 6 years old when his grandfather died, so he would likely have no memory of him. He would only know about him from stories, I would assume. Also as mentioned before, the mothers name on Graces death cert is Annie Campbell.
As for sons Hugh and Samuel, the informant on Hugh's death cert is his own son, John.
Samuel's informant was his wife, Mary.
I have noticed that on Hugh's death certificate in 1867, his mother is listed as Ann Riddick, maiden name unknown.
This may be a stretch, but is it possible that William was married previously to another woman called Ann, and then he was widowed with young children, then remarried to Ann Jeffs?
This may explain why Hugh was born in the early 1800's, at which point Ann would herself just be a child.
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Jefs is almost certainly a misreading of the 'long s' as 'f'.
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This is still unsolved as present, but I have gotten around to looking at William's siblings. Starting with Ann. Got her death certificate, she died 13th April 1881 aged 73 at 234 High St. Widow of (1) Andrew Hamilton (in the 1851, 61 censuses their son Andrew is recorded) and (2) James Rodgers (m. 12 July 1845). Informant is son Andrew Hamilton.
Mother unknown but father is listed as William Riddock Labourer (deceased).
William's brother John - died 10 October 1868 aged 84, also at 234 High St. Coal miner married to Margaret McClaves. Parents listed as Robert Reddock Labourer and Grace Crawford, both deceased.
The informant was grandson Joseph Douglas which I know to be the Joseph Douglas that William's daughter Annie married in 1856 - making them cousins. (Joseph's mother was a Ruddock as per his records).
In a correction to John's death certificate it is stated that he died from being run down by a horse the day before. His age is also stated on the correction as 86 rather than 84. Such a shame to go that way - especially at that age.
I am still on the lookout for a viable death for William's wife Ann but of course if she died before 1855 then a death/burial record will be few and far between.
As per William's death cert (which I thought I had already posted, but apparently not) his father is Alexander Ruddocks general labourer (deceased) and unknown mother.
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Think I have identified another sibling as Mary McRoberts who died 8 August 1861 aged 81 at 260 High St. - widow of James McRoberts. Parents Alexander Riddick Farmer and Grace Crawford, both deceased. Informant Alexander Riddock of 254 High St.
In the aforementioned 1861 census she and her brother William are lodgers with James and Ann Rodgers.
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Another sibling found, Alexander Riddick died 20 March 1870 in Coylton aged 67. Parents listed as Alexander Riddick agricultural labourer and Grace Crawford, both deceased.