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Title: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: Jonestree on Friday 29 July 22 10:46 BST (UK)
Hello

I would be very grateful if someone would be able to find out who John James father was on their marriage certificate.  His mother was Louisa Hyman but she was also known as Lucy Hyman, Louisa/Lucy James, Louisa/Lucy Masters.

These are the details of the marriage:
NAME:   Matilda Cogan
REGISTRATION DATE:   Apr 1920
REGISTRATION QUARTER:   Apr-May-Jun
REGISTRATION DISTRICT:   Wandsworth
INFERRED COUNTY:   London
SPOUSE:   John James
VOLUME NUMBER:   1d
PAGE NUMBER:   1537

Many thanks.
Kind regards  :) :o
Title: Re: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: ColC on Friday 29 July 22 11:19 BST (UK)
No record on London marriages on Ancestry, it may have been a civil marriage, if so you will need the certificate.

John James born 1889 & Matilda on 1921 census in Wandsworth

I do not see a birth around that time mother Hyman, do you know anything else about him?

Colin

Title: Re: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: ColC on Friday 29 July 22 11:28 BST (UK)
How sure are you about his mothers first name?

Marriages Jun 1888   

HYMAN    Kate        Wandsworth    1d   791
JAMES    William     Wandsworth    1d   791

Colin
Title: Re: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 29 July 22 11:38 BST (UK)
This birth

MASTERS, BENJAMIN  JOHN     HYMAN 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 676

Baptism gives birth date of 28 March 1887 = same as 1939.
Baptism has father John Masters, a labourer. Mother Louisa
Title: Re: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 29 July 22 11:41 BST (UK)
Marriages Dec 1885   (>99%)
Bottrell    Emma Phyllis        Wandsworth    1d   949    
CRAWLEY    Alfred        Wandsworth    1d   949    
HYMAN    Louisa        Wandsworth    1d   949    
MASTERS    John Richard        Wandsworth    1d   949
Title: Re: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: ColC on Friday 29 July 22 11:48 BST (UK)
20 May 1888   St Mary's, Battersea

If the above is the correct marriage the record states he was William James age 25 a Labourer,
Kate Hyman 19, both single of 14 Orbel St. Battersea, Fathers were Benjamin James & John Hyman.
Witnesses John & Louisa James.

Given the previous reply this might confuse things a little.

Colin
Title: Re: Marriage of John James and Matilda Cogan April Quarter 1920
Post by: Jonestree on Friday 29 July 22 11:52 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for all your replies.  I think his father was registered as John Masters - I did find a baptism for him which says the parents are John and Louisa but this is a very complicated family.  His mother, Louisa, changed the children's surnames to James for some reason which I have yet to find out.  That is the reason why I am interested to find out his father's name which was on the marriage certificate.  Kate Hyman is Louisa's sister who married William James.
I will send for the certificate - thank you all again for your help.
Kind regards :)