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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Aussie33 on Thursday 28 July 22 10:43 BST (UK)
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Could someone with a subscription to Rootsireland.ie lookup the baptism of Rose DOHERTY b c 1833 In Co Donegal. When I did a search,there are 6 possible baptisms. Just wondering if they were were of Rose or has mother as Rose (so not actually for Rose). Thanks for any help
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very few Donegal parishes have records back that far
dont think you are supposed to ask for lookups of commercial sites
if you know the parish you can check the registers free on the national library of Ireland website, think you can also search these on Findmypast with a free account (assuming Catholic)
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Most pay sites have restrictions on lookups and it is Rootschat policy to abide by those conditions.
Here are the Irish Catholic Parish Registers (free)-
https://registers.nli.ie/
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Came across these 3 births for Rose Doherty in the approx. time period you are looking for. The only thing is none have the place listed. They are:
Baptisms:
Rose Doherty 23 Sept 1828 parents: Matt Doherty & Alice Haughey
Rose Doherty 18 November 1828 parents: Edward Doherty & Ann Wooldrich
Rose Dogherty 18 February 1839 parents: Denis Dogherty & Ellen McLaughlin
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Thanks for info
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As commented the Irish Catholic Parish Registers images are on the NLI site as images only.
The microfilm images were jointly transcribed by Ancestry and Findmypast and appear on both their sites.
BMB are all lumped together by Ancestry but split on FindMyPast and searching specific counties and places or specifying mothers and fathers is easy there. Entirely free to search and view on FindMyPast only have to register/create an account not take out a subscription.
https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-records/ireland-roman-catholic-parish-baptisms
Many of the early Catholic parish registers are in a poor state and legibility can be an issue.
RootsIreland consists of a group of county or area subsites and genealogy centres working more locally. Their index only collection is from the original registers not from the microfilm so there are differences.
Findmypast search produces no Rose Doherty+sounds like or looking inputting D*h*ty in Co. Donegal 1833 ±5 no forname. That is perhaps understandable as only Clonleigh Parish in the entire County has RC registers going back that far and when you look on NLI map and open that parish whilst registers start 1773 is 1773-95, 1836-7 then a run from 1853. Culdaff starts 1838.
Rootsireland coverage table for Donegal with start dates https://rootsireland.ie/donegal/online-sources.php
John Grenham's https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_church_full.php?county=Donegal&search_type=full&denomination=Roman%20Catholic
So, like you, not having a current sub to RootsIreland I do see inputting the name produces 6 results, they could be Church of Ireland, Presbyterian or Methodist. So what church did she attend/marry in subsequently? If she was you suspect RC then your not going to find her.
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Rose Doherty
Roxtown(Kinnea)
Parents: Philip & Catherine
B: 15 June 1834 Clonmany
Rose
Tullynabratilly
Parents: Owen & Cicely
B 15 June 1834 Clonmany
RoseAnne
P: Thomas & Elizabeth
B: 11 Jan 1834 Baptism: 12 Jan 1834
Upper Moville- Church of Ireland
Rose
Beltra (Carrowreagh)
P: Hugh & Fanny
B: 15 June 1836 Clonmany
Rose
Straid
P: Edward & Ellen
B: 15 June 1836 Clonmany
Roseann
Drung
P: Edward-farmer & Susan
B: 28 Nov 1838 BP: 9 Dec 1838
Moville Upper-Church of Ireland
Rose
Meendoran
P: Manassas & Ellen
B: 15 June 1840 Clonmany
These are from RootsIreland. I am a bit concerned about the dates given on 5 as 3 match each other and 2 mstch each other. It may be wise to look at the registers to confirm said dstes. You can also follow the families via the Tithe Applotment Books. The families are concentrated in Clonmany & Upper Moville so that is where to focus first. Kim
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It may be wise to look at the registers to confirm said dstes. The families are concentrated in Clonmany & Upper Moville so that is where to focus first.
Certainly strange as both NLI and the RootsIreland's own coverage table show Clonmany RC registers not starting till 1852.
They show Clonleigh (Lifford) as the only parish listed as having pre-1835 registers. There will have been Rose Dohertys born elsewhere in Co. Donegal. Some of the surviving Church of Ireland registers are older but many registers are also missing, destroyed 1922. "Held by the Public Record Office in 1919"
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_church_full.php?county=Donegal&search_type=full&denomination=Church%20of%20Ireland
Aussie33 never actually mentioned Rose's religious denomination though. With just Co Donegal as a birthplace don't think can come to any conclusion.
Tithe Applotment Books record the occupiers of tithe-eligible land (heads of house or widows, not children) and it was not as inclusive as Griffiths eg labourers and fishermen who did not rent land, publicans and shoemakers in towns do not appear.
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dont think you are supposed to ask for lookups of commercial sites
Most pay sites have restrictions on lookups and it is Rootschat policy to abide by those conditions.
"Guidelines for Posting" (can be found via "Help" tab)
"Do not ask for look-ups from commercial sources
Most commercial sources have strict 'Terms of Use' which forbid publishing their data elsewhere, so
asking for such look-ups is also asking people to ignore 'Terms of Use'."
https://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
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It may be wise to look at the registers to confirm said dstes. The families are concentrated in Clonmany & Upper Moville so that is where to focus first.
Certainly strange as both NLI and the RootsIreland's own coverage table show Clonmany RC registers not starting till 1852.
They show Clonleigh (Lifford) as the only parish listed as having pre-1835 registers. There will have been Rose Dohertys born elsewhere in Co. Donegal. Some of the surviving Church of Ireland registers are older but many registers are also missing, destroyed 1922. "Held by the Public Record Office in 1919"
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_church_full.php?county=Donegal&search_type=full&denomination=Church%20of%20Ireland
With regard to parish register material existing prior to/earlier than reference works suggest, this is not so unusual, for two reasons:
1. Amalgamations and divisions of older parishes. This can lead to register material existing, but in a different later parish.
2. The NLI microfilming effort in the 1970s simply missed many registers. I don't believe there was any effort since to either fill in the missing material, or re-film registers that were so poorly filmed as to be unreadable.
As for CofI records, rather than rely on Grenham, the most comprehensive and accurate listing of extant registers is provided by the CofI itself, at:
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/ParRegs.pdf (https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/ParRegs.pdf)
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A comment on RootsIreland. I think it is very much to their advantage to show every now and then that they have unique material - which they do. They must have less than 5% of the name recognition of the international giants, Ancestry and FindMyPast. Any attention for RootsIreland must be to their benefit.
That said, OP clearly is aware of RootsIreland, as the query is specifically for their material. Why he/she simply doesn't sign up for a one-day subscription is beyond me.
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Having looked into this, some of the posted Doherty births are not parish register derived (Catholic or Protestant). Rather, they are associated with with old age pension applications.
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Looking further, there is the following note in the RootsIreland listing of online sources for Donegal -
"Donegal Birth Records include Pension applications for Clonmany Parish"
An excellent example of the fact that RootsIreland have access to unique sources that others don't.
Also, given that RootsIreland have one-day subscriptions, I can't see why OP can't invest in one (or longer)?