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I believe that my 2nd Great Grandfather, David Nicol Philp,,was born in Dysart but in his 30s moved in the 1870s to Gallashiels with his wifeJane where he raised a family. He is listed on his death certificate as Forman Baker. He died there on 18th April 1916. Despite manl attempts I can't find any record of where he was buried. I have found him on Cencus returns and have his death certificare which states that he is a widower and he was Foreman Baker.
Can anyone help me find where he is buried please as I have hit a dead end.
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So I have the right man - is this him ?? if so I can go to the links of siblings and maybe find a living relative
https://gw.geneanet.org/ianjeanneret?n=philp&oc=&p=david+nicol
could you post his wifes name and any children and the years and place they were born please - one of those may have a familytree :)
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Did he marry Jane Bain Thomson 2nd December 1868 in Dysart ?
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is this a possibility
David Philp
Death Date: Feb 1919
Cemetery: Lochgelly Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Lochgelly, Fife, Scotland
sorry to build your hopes up - but headstone says wife Jemimah - I will leave this post up to save other members time
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/124390731/david-philp?_gl=1*mh9omg*_ga*NjgxNzA4ODI2LjE2NTg5MDUyMTk.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY1ODkwNTIyNC4xLjAuMTY1ODkwNTIyNC4w
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The births of the children (with mother Jane Bain Thomson) on FS, if these are correct, are near Dalkeith, Cockpen, Monifieth, Edinburgh rather than in Galashiels itself.
There appear to be two wedding ceremonies
1 in Dysart on 2/12/1868
2 in Edinburgh on 30/11/1868 (St Cuthberts)
Though this may not be unusual perhaps similar to separate civil and church ceremonies in many countries.....I am not a Scots researcher
What is the location of death of David Nicol Philp?
When and where did his wife die?
What was his last location on the census?
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is this a possibility
David Philp
Death Date: Feb 1919
Cemetery: Lochgelly Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Lochgelly, Fife, Scotland
sorry to build your hopes up - but headstone says wife Jemimah - I will leave this post up to save other members time
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/124390731/david-philp?_gl=1*mh9omg*_ga*NjgxNzA4ODI2LjE2NTg5MDUyMTk.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY1ODkwNTIyNC4xLjAuMTY1ODkwNTIyNC4w
This Jemima dies in 1942 so perhaps a daughter in law married to a son called David Philp if a relation at all.
As Garstonite says we need more info before throwing ourselves down rabbitholes and following false but interesting leads.
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I think that David's wife, Jane, was actually Jane Mills. The marriage:
D N Philps and Jane Mill
1870
Ref 426/ 42
Dysart
Children's birth regs up to 1882 that I can see (Walter) show mother as Jane Mill/s.
Son David's death shows on SP as:
DAVID NICHOL PHILIPS
Age 38
Mother's maiden name MILLS
1914
775/ 169
Galashiels
Wife's death is registred as:
JEANIE PHILIPS/MILL
Age 66
Mother's maiden name BROWN
1915
775/ 129
Galashiels
gurfingpiglet, I am sure you will have these details. Just adding here in case it helps with finding burial info for them.
Monica
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Have you considered contacting the Council?
www.scotborders.gov.uk/info/20021/burials_and_cemeteries/558/searching_burial_records
Monica
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Pte D Philips KOSB Regiment buried 1919 Eastlands Cemetery, Galashiels is the only result within the Borders listed on findagrave for the surname. The headstone does not indicate an age so dob is unknown.
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Pte D Philips KOSB Regiment buried 1919 Eastlands Cemetery, Galashiels is the only result within the Borders listed on findagrave for the surname. The headstone does not indicate an age so dob is unknown.
I saw that one also but the OP has said his ancestors name was Philps.
Hopefully they will be back soon to give us the details from the death certificate and to double check the surname.
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Lòoked at replies. Surname is PHILP. Wife was indeed Jane Mills. Married in Dysart/Pathhead. Pathhead being a district on the border between Kirkcaldy & Dysart.
Died in Gallashiels. Yes those were his childrens names.
Still hunting.
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Monica you are on the right track. His wife was known as Jeannie Mills. He died at 226 Galapark Road & i think Walter lived in the same street. There are many children Ann, Walter, Eva, Johanna, Bessie, Agnes, Alexander.etc... Most born in Galashiels. For clarity his surname was PHILP (not Philps, Philips or Phillips). His deat Cert says Foreman Baker.
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Borders FHS may be worth checking, they have a surname interest board and also MI's/photos of Eastlands, Old Ladhope and Heatheryett
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From the monumental inscriptions for Eastlands Cemetery, Galashiels, published by the Borders Family History Society (Selkirkshire Monumental Inscriptions Volume IX; Galashiels; Eastlands & St. Peters www.bordersfhs.org.uk):
"In loving memory of DAVID NICHOL PHILP who died 18.4.1916 aged 68 years also JANE MILL his wife who died 29.7.1915 aged 66 years also DAVID their son who died 29.10.1914 aged 38 years also their son WALTER PHILP who died 17.4.1965 aged 83 years also their children who died in infancy."
Edited to add: There is a photo of the tombstone on the CD.
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Great find Josephine! :)
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Thank you, shanreagh! :)
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Thank you all especially for the Monu.mental Instription i hadnt found.
I will possibly be in Galashiels later this month & will try to find it. X
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You're welcome, surfingpiglet.
According to the publication, the grave is located in Section Z5 ("from roadway, towards east wall") of Plan 3.
You can see Section Z5 on this map (it's one of the orange-ish coloured strips):
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2334524/eastlands-cemetery#view-photo=175467375
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He was definately Philp. Not Philip, Philips or anything else. PHILP.
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I think we can all be a little definite about the spelling of our current surnames.
In the past though not all of our forebears could read and write and were reliant on those who could to record information for official documents. So when they transcribed an entry for a person, possibly having to interpret an accent as well it may not have come out exactly as we write it now.
Asa case in point one set of my ancestors has the name Ramage, the entries for them have been all spellings ranging from Rumage, Rimmadge rammage, Ramadge etc etc. I would be be a foolish researcher to disregard these spellings because some later educated ancestor has decided that Ramage is the spelling.
I suggest you keep the Philp and all variations including the Philip/Philips/Philps in your seaching tool kit.
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Wise indeed. Thanks.