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Looking for Information on George Mordant born about 1846 Co Wexford to John Mordant & Catherine Mallon, died Waterford
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George Mordant 1928 death? Informant - his daughter M K Mordant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1928/04955/4348282.pdf
1911 census
House 13 in Mayor's Walk (Waterford No. 3 Urban, Waterford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_No__3_Urban/Mayor_s_Walk/673506/
1901 census
House 51 in Mayors Walk (Waterford Urban No. 3, Waterford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__3/Mayors_Walk/1764936/
Marriage - 5 November 1876 to Bridget Nolan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11188/8100092.pdf
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Bridget Mordant (widow of George), died in 1934 at 51 Mayor's Walk, Waterford.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04846/4307588.pdf
Mary Catherine Mordant (daughter of George and Bridget) died in 1937.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04773/4280694.pdf
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Thanks, Killaglassan, we have all the information on George and his family from Waterford but looking for his Wexford side (family) he was the son of John Mordant & Catherine Mallon, born about 1846, he had a brother Denis Mordaunt Thanks again JB
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Where do you have the information re mother’s name and the brother’s name?
Wher3 have you checked?
There is this death for a Catherine Mordant - informant Denis, both of Ballinahilan ???
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1871/020758/7282507.pdf
Marriage here for Mary Mordant with father John - residence Ramstown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11393/8183378.pdf
Death of John, Ramstown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020709/7266392.pdf
Both the deaths are for widows so can’t be a couple.
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Hi Heywood, thanks yes I have them John Mordant & Mary Carton whose daughter married Terence Donnelly, Catherine Mallon Mordant is George's mother can't find her husband John he may have died before 1864, Thanks JB
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Hi Heywood, thanks yes I have them John Mordant & Mary Carton whose daughter married Terence Donnelly, Catherine Mallon Mordant is George's mother can't find her husband John he may have died before 1864, Thanks JB
I don’t quite understand your post. Are any of those records part of your family?
Do you mean that the death for Catherine is your family but Catherine Mordant Donnelly is not?
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RootsIreland have a Mary to this couple 16 Dec 1848 address Ballylusk, parish Killanerin
Sponsors James Keegan and Catherine Troy. Can't see any other children to this couple.
There is a marriage for John Mordant and Catherine Mellen 24 Nov 1840.
Witness James Peaste and John Mellen
Only George I can see is 1839 to Peter Mordant and Catherine Brien.
Can't find a Denis.
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On George’s marriage, his father John is a Tradesman.
Other records found here have John as a Farmer.
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Hi Sinann & Heywood, Many Thanks, for your help first I am helping an old friend with his research some of this family emigrated to England 1860s, George married Bridget Power here in Waterford 1876, given his parents' names as John Mordant and his mother as Catherine Mallen/Mallon, he was born in Wexford about 1846, George's only living relatives now are living are in Co Killkenny. Many thanks for your help JB
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Thanks.
How do you know about Brother Denis?
Where do you have him?
Are neither of those deaths - John or Catherine correct?
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Where did the family move to in England.
What relation to George were they?
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Hi Heyland George's grandson named Murphy, from Co Kilkenny has from his mother that many of her Mordant family all from Gorey and Enniscorthy Co Wexford some died young and others emigrated to York, England about 1860/70s what I am told is George's grandfather was (1) Denis Mordant, his son (2) John Mordant, his son (3) George, his son (4) Patrick Mordaunt, died 1960s he was the last of the Mordaunts here Kilkenny/Waterford. Many Thanks, JB
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Have you looked at English censuses for the family?
All I can see is:
1851 2336 /120/3
Sheffield
George Mordaunt 51 yrs Picture Dealer b Gorey
Wife Ann Maria b Sheffield plus two children
This George can also be found in 1871
There is also a nun in York in 1891 to 1911
Elizabeth Mordaunt b 1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03500/2286470.pdf
Parents Patrick and Ellen Crowe
One would imagine that a nun in the family would be remembered.
What exactly are you looking for here? You have George and his family after marriage.
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Mordant/Mordaunts in Tithe Applotment Books 1820s/30s
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpo/
Griffiths Valuation abt 1850s also has Mordant/Mordaunt. Unfortunately the website Ask about Ireland is not downloading properly for me at the moment but hopefully this works.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpp/
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Hi Heywood, I am just looking for the Wexford Mordants and stuck with a George Mordant married a Catherine and a John Mordant married another Catherine as we have only one death of a Catherine 1871, which one is our George? for the records of Gorey only start at about 1845, the pub in Mayor's Walk, Waterford he started in 1895, is still going but as (The Cans Bar) only sells can beer. Many Thanks Again JB
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Thanks. More questions -sorry.
Do you have his mother’s name from the church record?
You say he has a brother Dennis? Where does that information come from and where do you have Dennis?
We know that George’s father was John from the marriage certificate but you say you are told that John’s father was Denis and his father was George.
Is there any record to show this?
Any mention of the nun, Elizabeth or which relatives (names) went to York?
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There is the death of Denis Mordaunt, 80 yrs in 1868.
You could purchase a photocopy of that record to see if there are clues or wait as it may be online later this year.
Have you read through this?
http://www.mordaunt.me.uk/irish.html
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This refers to Denis who died in 1868
“ Denis Mordaunt (1783-1868) was baptised in the parish of Kilanerin, near Gorey, and, as Denis Morning, he married Mary Byrne (1791-1851) in Avoca, Co Wicklow, in 1813. He held about 30 acres in Ballintlea, and may also have held land at Clone, near Monamolin. He died in 1868 and was buried in Boolavogue.”
And is from here re Penny Mordaunt, the politician.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpr/
That, in turn, has its information from the Mordaunt site I linked earlier.
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This extract from the material that Heywood has found will stop needless searching by us on this thread
"The years of birth of this John Mordaunt match the years for the John Mordaunt named by my correspondent Jimmy Burke, as the father of
George Mordant (sic) (abt. 1846 - 20th June 1928), born in Co. Wexford, served in the Royal Irish Constabulary. In the the 1901 census, however, he was working as a publican, living in house 51 in Mayors Walk, Waterford.
He married Bridget Nolan (abt. 1855 - 7th February, 1934), from Waterford, in about 1877. By the 1911 census he had left the pub trade and had moved down the road to house 13, Mayors Walk, and he was living on his RIC pension. According to the 1911 census they had had a total of 8 children but only three had survived. Clearly they had spent some years in Tipperary, where three of their children were born.
John Mordant (6th June 1878 (Ballybricken) - 15th June, 1899 (Mayor's Walk)). His birth and death were registered in Waterford.
Michael Mordant (13th September 1879 (Patrick Str.) - 23rd September, 1893 (51 Mayor's Walk)). His death was registered in Waterford.
Edward Mordant (8th November, 1881 - 21st October, 1907), birth registered in the Nenagh district, Co. Tipperary. In the 1901 census, age given as 19 years, he was still described as a scholar. His death was registered in Waterford.
Catherine Mordant (5th April, 1884 - 25th May, 1884). Her birth and death were registered in Thurles, Tipperary.
Patrick Mordant (1885 - 1885). His birth and death were registered in Thurles, Tipperary.
Another Patrick Mordant (20th January, 1888 - 28th May, 1960). birth registered in the Thurles district, Co. Tipperary. In the 1911 census he was described as a clerk, out of employment. He was possibly the only one of the eight who outlived both his parents. He married Catherine McGuire, (1905 - 16th September 1972) at St. Mary's, Ballygunner, on 18th October, 1933.
Bridget (Birdie) Mordant (b. 1934 - 27th February, 2015)
Ita Mordant (b. 1936 - 23rd September, 2004)
Mary Catherine Mordant (8th September, 1887 - 28th May, 1937), birth registered in the Thurles district, Co. Tipperary and died, unmarried in Waterford.
Another Michael Mordant (1st February, 1895 - 12th December, 1918), born in Waterford City. A Michael Mordaunt from Waterford, age given as 17 years, was working as a stable lad in Bershire, England, in the 1911 UK census. The death of a Michael Mordaunt, born abt. 1895/6 was registered in Naas in County Kildare in 1919. They may or may not be the same person.
All the above family of George Mordaunt are interred in St. Mary's, Ballygunner.
I am very grateful to my correspondent, Jimmie Burke, who kindly wrote to me in July 2022 with greater detail of George Mordant and his family which enabled me to place him, with some confidence, as the son of John Mordaunt of Ramstown."
All very interesting and topical for us at the moment, endlessly fascinating I would say for the family!
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George Mordant (sic) (abt. 1846 - 20th June 1928), born in Co. Wexford, served in the Royal Irish Constabulary.
FindMyPast (subscription site)
Ireland, Royal Irish Constabulary Service Records 1816-1922
George Mordant - Service number 32910
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FRIC%2FHO184%2F0448907
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Rounds it out nicely KG!
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That’s great. I hadn’t read much of it at the time ::)
This is one John of Ramstown - posted earlier but there seemed to be some doubt then :-\
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020709/7266392.pdf
Hi Heywood, thanks yes I have them John Mordant & Mary Carton whose daughter married Terence Donnelly, Catherine Mallon Mordant is George's mother can't find her husband John he may have died before 1864, Thanks JB
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From the Calendar of Wills & Administrations 1858-1922-
The only Mordaunt/Mordant's in Wexford-
Name of Deceased Date of Death County of Death
Michael Mordaunt 31 Mar 1894 Wexford
Myles Mordaunt 22 Jun 1895 Wexford
George Mordaunt 4 Mar 1897 Wexford
Ellen Mordaunt 6 Nov 1899 Wexford
George Mordaunt 3 Dec 1903 Wexford
Anne Mordant 28 Feb 1911 Wexford
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rps/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpt/
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This refers to Denis who died in 1868
“ Denis Mordaunt (1783-1868) was baptised in the parish of Kilanerin, near Gorey, and, as Denis Morning, he married Mary Byrne (1791-1851) in Avoca, Co Wicklow, in 1813. He held about 30 acres in Ballintlea, and may also have held land at Clone, near Monamolin. He died in 1868 and was buried in Boolavogue.”
And is from here re Penny Mordaunt, the politician.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpr/
That, in turn, has its information from the Mordaunt site I linked earlier.
No one asked me, but unless there is some specific reason to believe otherwise, it is more likely that these are two different people.
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Thanks Wexflyer.
Who are two different people?
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Thanks Wexflyer.
Who are two different people?
- The Denis of Ballintlea - just north of Gorey, near where there was a baptism and marriage, and then;
- The Denis of Clone East, just outside Monamolin, some distance to the south, with a burial not that far away in Boolavogue.
Not impossible, but unlikely that these are the same person.
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Maybe. Who knows?
That’s what the site owner believes about his ancestor - although I think it says ‘supposition’ but too much to read.
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Maybe. Who knows?
That’s what the site owner believes about his ancestor - although I think it says ‘supposition’ but too much to read.
Personally, I think it is probably another example of the unfortunate tendency to collect "ancestors" simply on the basis that the names happen to match....
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Perhaps you are right.
The Boolavogue marriage of Miles Mordaunt of Ballintlea - father Denis may link the two places
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11310/8150128.pdf
but not necessarily.
I suppose all this is a problem for J B to try to solve though.
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Perhaps you are right.
The Boolavogue marriage of Miles Mordaunt of Ballintlea - father Denis may link the two places
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11310/8150128.pdf
but not necessarily.
I suppose all this is a problem for J B to try to solve though.
That that marriage was in Boolavogue was simply because of the bride's address/home. To me though, the marriage is significant in that Miles was still of Ballintlea - evidence against Denis having moved.
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Yes , of course, I realise that.
Here is Michael of Clone with father Denis.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11442/8203186.pdf
However, we are digressing.
JB feels there is a connection with ‘Denis’ - brother and ancestor. There is a death for a Denis in 1868 which the article/s refer to so maybe there will be an answer then.
It’s all very interesting ;)
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Yes , of course, I realise that.
Here is Michael of Clone with father Denis.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11442/8203186.pdf
However, we are digressing.
I think I can say that the Denis Mordaunt living near Monamolin was not OP's relative or ancestor, unless there has been a massive memory loss in the family.
For the same holding that Denis held in 1852, in 1846 we see Denis crossed out, and Admiral Francis Mordaunt written in.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246842_00530.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246842_00530.pdf)
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Very useful. :)
Does that mean that Denis had died and it had passed to Francis?
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Looking at the various marriages which mention Denis as father and Clone, it looks as though he is the one who died 1868.
His daughter Hester married 1869 and that record shows Denis (deceased).
As the OP does not know where George (son of John) was born, we don’t seem to be any the sister.
The quote from the Mordaunt site, posted by shanreagh, places George as the son of John of Ramstown. :-\
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Very useful. :)
Does that mean that Denis had died and it had passed to Francis?
That would be the normal interpretation, but a Denis returns by 1852, so...?
- Denis, son of Denis?
- Or could be something more exotic, like Denis was actually holding the (quite good) farm and house, but the holding was technically held by his brother Francis? Who knows.
- Obviously the admiral should be pursued, but won't be by me!
There is more writing on the 1846 valuation, which I have not deciphered.
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Nor me. There are too many Mordaunts in Wexford.
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Several Mordaunt of Ballintlea memorial inscriptions
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpx/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rpx/)
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Yes , of course, I realise that.
Here is Michael of Clone with father Denis.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11442/8203186.pdf
However, we are digressing.
I think I can say that the Denis Mordaunt living near Monamolin was not OP's relative or ancestor, unless there has been a massive memory loss in the family.
For the same holding that Denis held in 1852, in 1846 we see Denis crossed out, and Admiral Francis Mordaunt written in.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246842_00530.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246842_00530.pdf)
Just to clarify this.
I think it reads Admiral Francis … and is continued in the indecipherable writing - ‘..tton’.
Mordant is struck through for Denis and Mordaunt written as the correction.
Two separate entries.
Looking at Griffiths for Dennis in Clone - the lessor is Francis V Hatton. (Various references and biographies elsewhere).
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Just to clarify this.
I think it reads Admiral Francis … and is continued in the indecipherable writing - ‘..tton’.
Mordant is struck through for Denis and Mordaunt written as the correction.
Two separate entries.
You are correct.
I thought "Denis" was also struck through. But on second look, it seems to be an artifact of the way Denis was originally written, plus the diagonal lines through.