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Title: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: rocking rose on Tuesday 26 July 22 14:18 BST (UK)
the 1911 scotland census shows my granny age 1 at this address with her parents, two sisters and half a dozen other people.  they appear to be unrelated, and my great gran is down as a pedlar.  my problem is my grans death certificate gives a date of birth but i have been unable to find anything at all on scotlands people.  is it likely that a birth would be unrecorded in 1909/1910 in scotland?
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 26 July 22 15:23 BST (UK)
It does look like the birth was unrecorded however the siblings were born on different parts of Scotland and as her mother was a peddler the family maybe moved around a lot and didn't register any of the siblings  :-\

Kay
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: rocking rose on Tuesday 26 July 22 15:32 BST (UK)
that was my thoughts as well, my granny couldnt read or write,her sisters as you say were born in different parts of scotland and the family did seem to move location regularly.  i have tried using the fathers surname and various surnames the mother claimed to have, also just a christian name search for the whole of scotland.   i really did think it was a legal requirement to register births in 1909/1910 though.  strangely the name kay means something to me!!
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 26 July 22 15:37 BST (UK)
They  may not have realised that it was a legal requirement and as they moved often who would be aware.   Nice to know Kay  means something to you :)

Kay
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 26 July 22 18:03 BST (UK)
This may be way off beam?
1911
KAY   ROBERT      33   365/ 2/ 4   Kinclaven   Perth
KAY   ERSKINE M   26   365/ 2/ 4   Kinclaven   Perth
KAY   JEAN E M      3   365/ 2/ 4   Kinclaven   Perth
KAY   GEORGINA A   1   365/ 2/ 4   Kinclaven   Perth

Birth Registrations
KAY   JEAN ERSKINE MA      1907   365/ 9   Kinclaven

KAY   GEORGINA ANNE      1909   365/ 6   Kinclaven

Colin
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: rocking rose on Tuesday 26 July 22 18:13 BST (UK)
the parents of my gran were frederick good (coach painter) and elizabeth simpson (pedlar), two older siblings born in aberdeen and alva.  the odd thing is that my grans death certificate gives an exact date of birth, although i suppose that might just be a guesstimate. and the drummond hall barns sounds like some sort of hostel.  the two older sisters i have the birth certificates from scotlands people so it is odd that i cannot find one for my gran
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 26 July 22 18:42 BST (UK)
1911 census says she was born in Greenock. Only 1 Rosa reg'd in Greenock, 1909. Rosa Catherine Webber. No Rosa Webber on 1911 census or any death for her.

Added. Not her, Rosa Webber is in Ireland in 1911
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 26 July 22 19:53 BST (UK)
There is a Rosa Goode birth, 1909, J quarter, reg'd in Northampton, no MMN listed.
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 26 July 22 20:21 BST (UK)
...and the drummond hall barns sounds like some sort of hostel.

I think it might have been the barn on a farm.

See here www.oldscottish.com/kinclaven-1911-census.html  It mentions:

Drummond Hall Barn: Goode (5), Mcguire (1), Mcintosh (4), Norman (1), Watson (1)
Drummond Hall Bothy: Culbert (1), Forsyth (1), Sutherland (1)
Drummond Hall Cottage: Buchan (4), Gilmour (2)
Drummond Hall Farm: Campbell (1), Dow (5), Garvie (1), Ireland (1)

Monica
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: rocking rose on Tuesday 26 July 22 20:26 BST (UK)
ooh i have never checked english records as my families are all scotland and further back ireland.  apart from fred good. i must look into the process in england, and check this out, thank you!!
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: rocking rose on Tuesday 26 July 22 20:41 BST (UK)
...and the drummond hall barns sounds like some sort of hostel.

I think it might have been the barn on a farm.

See here www.oldscottish.com/kinclaven-1911-census.html  It mentions:

Drummond Hall Barn: Goode (5), Mcguire (1), Mcintosh (4), Norman (1), Watson (1)
Drummond Hall Bothy: Culbert (1), Forsyth (1), Sutherland (1)
Drummond Hall Cottage: Buchan (4), Gilmour (2)
Drummond Hall Farm: Campbell (1), Dow (5), Garvie (1), Ireland (1)

Monica
yes that is them, the goode family, would that be common to live in a barn with a young family? it is rather unsettling to imagine, fred died two years later in hamilton
Title: Re: drummond hall barns, kinclaven
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 26 July 22 21:46 BST (UK)
If they were travelling people, perhaps they had parked their caravan(s) or whatever beside the barns at Drummond Hall?