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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: msbonbon65 on Monday 25 July 22 21:53 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I need a little help tracing my 2nd Great Uncle Peter Deasy/Dacey born 25 June 1846 Cregg, Kilfaughnabeg Parish, Cork, Ireland. I have the 1881 and 1891 Census for Michael Dacey in Merthyr Tydfi, Glamorganshire, England which shows Peter Deasy/Dacey is living with his brother Michael Deasy/Dacey Jr and his wife Mary Donovan Deasy/Dacey who were married in 1871 in Kilmacabea Parish, Cork, Ireland. After the 1891 Census I have hit a brickwall Ancestry.com doesn't have much in the way of 1901 and 1911 Welch Census for Deasy/Dacey in Glamorganshire. I was wondering if someone with access to FindMypast or My Heritage could take a look and see if those sights have anything for him in 1901 and 1911.
Thanks for any help you can give me! Maria
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Have you checked the English & Scottish 1901 & 1911
Have you also checked the Irish 1901 & 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Have you checked for a death? www.freebmd.org.uk
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You post says “Born 25.6.1846”
In 1891 he is 32yrs old which does not equate to an 1846 birthyear?? His brother Michael is 35
Have you discounted the 1892 death in Merthyr for Peter Dacey aged 30? No other Peter Dacey on the 1891 in Glamorgan
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so this 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HMCG-KZM
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-ZZS1
By the way, Glamorgan isn't in England, it's in Wales.
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Hi CaroleW,
The 1911 Census for Peter's brother Michael Dacey shows place of birth as GLANDORE, Kilfaughnabeg Parish, Cork, Ireland that is 10 minutes or so from where Michael was married at St Mary's Church in Kilmacabea Parish. I have the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriage Index record and the corresponding Ledger entry for the Marriage of Michael Deasy and Mary Donovan 18 July 1871 parents Michael Deasy Sr and John Donovan. It appears the Wales Census is not accurate regarding the ages and birth dates, Michael Deasy was born 2 Feb 1844 Cregg, Kilfaughnabeg Parish and his brother Peter Deasy was born 25 June 1846 in Cregg, Kilfaughnabeg Parish. Michael would be 37 on the 1881 Wales Census and Peter would be 35 on the same census. Maria
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CaroleW,
Thanks! I did not think to check deaths in Glamorganshire, Wales I believe the 1892 is most likely Peter Deasy/Dacey I've been looking for. I will request a copy of the death record for him to make sure its him. Maria
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so this 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HMCG-KZM
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-ZZS1
By the way, Glamorgan isn't in England, it's in Wales.
Hi Osprey,
I am aware that Glamorganshire is in Wales, I checked my original post it mentions Wales only, but thanks for the heads up though! Maria
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In 1881 Michael is 30 & Peter is 28. Mary is 25
Michael & Mary's eldest child is only 3yrs old which is strange if they married in 1871.
I agree that the ages between the 2 censuses are not consistent but if it is Peters death in 1892 - he would have been 46 but age is 32 on the 1891 census & 30 on the death reg which is a big difference
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CaroleW,
According to the Ledger entry for the Civil Registration of Michael Deasy and Mary Donovan's marriage Michael was 24 yrs old (1847) and Mary was 19 yrs (1852) old which shows that even on the marriage record their birth dates were off as Michael was born 1844 and Mary was born 1854. I also found a child in the Wales Civil Registrations born 1874 Elizabeth Ann Dacey who I believe is their child I haven't found anymore than her birth record which makes me think she may have died shortly after birth. Maria
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In 1891 - Mary is not in the household.
There is a Mary Dacey b Cork 1856 - married - in the Merthyr Tydfil Workhouse shown as a pauper inmate
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The Elizabeth Ann Dacey b 1874 was illegitimate - no mothers maiden name shown
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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CaroleW,
I believe that Mary Dacey in the workhouse is Michael's wife she must have been sick because she is back with the family in 1901 and then she died in 1908. Thanks for the information on Elizabeth Ann Dacey, even though I can't explain the 6year gap between Michael & Mary's marriage in 1871 and the birth of their son James Dacey born 1877 I'm pretty sure they are my cousins. I found a picture today of Michael Patrick Dacey the grandson of Michael Deasy Jr in the family tree of someone researching this same family and the resemblance between him and the male Dacey's of the 3 branches of the Deasy/Dacey family that came to the states is uncanny. It wouldn't surprise me if they had a child or 2 that didn't survive child mortality was high back in those days or maybe they just didn't start having kids until 1877 as strange as it sounds. Maria
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I have possible later sightings of Michael Dacey
1895 - sentenced to 7 days or pay 17/5 for breach of the Pubic Health Act. Place of birth noted as Glandore. he is however aged 62
1900 - imprisoned again for wilfully neglecting his children. Given 1 month hard labour. Aged 64. Born Co Cork
Mary Dacey aged 42 was committed for the same offence on the same date
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Mary has previous from 1896 for stealing a shirt, and a note of an earlier assault conviction in Cardiff. The 1896 entry notes b Co Cork
Peter Dacey aged 32, b Co Cork convicted of drunkenness in October 1886
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You post says “Born 25.6.1846”
In 1891 he is 32yrs old which does not equate to an 1846 birthyear?? His brother Michael is 35
Have you discounted the 1892 death in Merthyr for Peter Dacey aged 30? No other Peter Dacey on the 1891 in Glamorgan
Hi Carole,
I have the ledger entry for the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index for Michael Deasy and Mary Donovan it gives their ages as Michael 24 and Mary 19.
Ireland, Catholic Parish Baptism Registers
Michael Deasy baptism 4 Feb 1844
Born: Cregg, Kilfaughnabeg Parish, Cork
Ireland, Catholic Parish Baptism Registers
Mary Donovan baptism 15 April 1854
Born: Cregg, Kilfaughnabeg, Cork, Ireland
The baptism dates show that at the time of their marriage their true ages were
Michael 27 and Mary 17
I believe they lied about their ages to shrink the age gap between them from 10 yrs to 5 yrs..
The baptisms show that Michael would be 37 on the 1881 Wales Census and Mary would be 27 which means that Michaels age is off by 7 yrs and Mary's is off by 2 yrs. Mary's age being off by 2 yrs is very plausible and Michael's age being off by 7 yrs is not impossible because the census takers I've been told were not highly educated people they came from the middle class and not everyone back then in the middle class went to school, so mistakes were bound to happen. Michael was 2 yrs older than Peter so their ages would have been close; as for the 1892 death for Peter Dacey I have only the Civil Registration Death Index online no ledger entry for this record, can't say anything for sure. I did put in my tree as there is nothing else for Peter Dacey after 1892, his nephew John Peter Dacey was named for him when he was born in 1892. So about 80% sure it's my Peter Dacey.
Maria
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Mary has previous from 1896 for stealing a shirt, and a note of an earlier assault conviction in Cardiff. The 1896 entry notes b Co Cork
Peter Dacey aged 32, b Co Cork convicted of drunkenness in October 1886
I have possible later sightings of Michael Dacey
1895 - sentenced to 7 days or pay 17/5 for breach of the Pubic Health Act. Place of birth noted as Glandore. he is however aged 62
1900 - imprisoned again for wilfully neglecting his children. Given 1 month hard labour. Aged 64. Born Co Cork
Mary Dacey aged 42 was committed for the same offence on the same date
Hi Mabel,
Where did you find these entries? I'd like to know for my notes before adding to the family tree! Thanks! Maria
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To be sure it is your Peter's death get the death certificate see who reported the death and the address where he was living.
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Mary has previous from 1896 for stealing a shirt, and a note of an earlier assault conviction in Cardiff. The 1896 entry notes b Co Cork
Peter Dacey aged 32, b Co Cork convicted of drunkenness in October 1886
I have possible later sightings of Michael Dacey
1895 - sentenced to 7 days or pay 17/5 for breach of the Pubic Health Act. Place of birth noted as Glandore. he is however aged 62
1900 - imprisoned again for wilfully neglecting his children. Given 1 month hard labour. Aged 64. Born Co Cork
Mary Dacey aged 42 was committed for the same offence on the same date
Hi Mabel,
Where did you find these entries? I'd like to know for my notes before adding to the family tree! Thanks! Maria
Swansea and surrounding area gaol records
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Welch Census
Sorry just had to say WELSH Census.
Goodluck in your search
N