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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Gervaise94 on Sunday 24 July 22 20:35 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace some family who migrated from Ireland during the famine and settled in the East End of London but have hit a total brick wall with this line.
My G-G grandmother was Elizabeth Harrington who lived in Whitechapel, London (born approx between 1840-1845) and married to a James Goodman who worked in the docks in the East End. They originally came from the Beara Peninsula in Ireland (Cork/Kerry). We only discovered this through a DNA test on Ancestry recently and through looking at our matches with the surname.
I know it’s a long shot but I was wondering if anyone in this group has links to the East London Harringtons (or Goodmans) or even to Elizabeth Harrington. I have very little information. I did find a record for an Elizabeth Harrington born 1847 living with parents Ellen and John in St Anne Soho but I don't know if it's the right Elizabeth.
Any help or anyone with links to this family would be much appreciated!
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As they were Irish, im assuming they were Catholic so I'll have a look for baptisms and marriages in Ireland and such. In the meantime,
- On Elizabeth and James marriage certificate, is her father's name listed?
- Do you have Eliza and James on any census? what is her birthplace?
- Have you found any censuses (1851,1861 etc) that could be Eliza before marriage?
- What were the names of their children? If there is any baptisms for them, is there any sponsors?
:)
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1881
4 Flower + Dean Street, Spitalfields
Elizabeth Goodman Head W 40 Hawker, born Middlesex Shoreditch
James Goodman Son 8 Scholar
Mary Ann Goodman Daur 6 Scholar
Kate Goodman Daur 3 Scholar
Children born Commercial Road
Births
HARRINGTON, JAMES
Mother's Maiden Surname: GOODMAN
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 372
GOODMAN, MARY ANN
Mother's Maiden Surname: HARRINGTON
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 323
GOODMAN, CATHERINE
Mother's Maiden Surname: HARRINGTON
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 361
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Baptisms at Spitalfields, Underwood Road, St Anne (catholic)
1874
Maria Anna Goodman, born 1874
1877
Catharina Goodman, born 1877
Father "James or Jacob"
Mother Elizabeth/e Harrington
Don't have the full details/images, would be worth looking up.
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Is this the family?
1881 435 /79/1
4 Flower and Dean Street, Spitalfields - a lodging house
Elizabeth Goodman, widow, 40 yrs Hawker b Shoreditch, Middlesex
James 8 yrs
Mary Ann 6 yrs
Kate 3 yrs
There are some workhouse records for the children too
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Yes, that's the family I posted in Reply #2
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Sorry, Jon
I only saw your later reply re the baptisms.
Maybe …
1861 373 /76/15
Betsy Harrington 18yrs Farm Servant b Shoreditch
She is boarding in Wandsworth
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The Whitechapel Infirmary records you mentioned
1881 for James and Mary Goodman, says father James Deserted
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-D487-M
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This might be a good one
28 Dec 1872
Elizabeth Harrington, age 30, 7 Flower + Dean Street, Wife of James, Labourer
John Harrington, age 5
Annie Harrington, 18 months
Deserted + pregnant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-ZSXC-L
29 Dec 1872
James Harrington
Born
Child of Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-ZSXM-9?i=1099
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There is this death
Decembe4 1876 Whitechapel
James Goodman 37 yrs
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Can you see them in 1871?
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This might be a good one
28 Dec 1872
Elizabeth Harrington, age 30, 7 Flower + Dean Street, Wife of James, Labourer
John Harrington, age 5
Annie Harrington, 18 months
Deserted + pregnant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-ZSXC-L
29 Dec 1872
James Harrington
Born
Child of Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-ZSXM-9?i=1099
These look very possible.
There is a birth for James Harrington December 1872 with mmn Goodman ???
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Possible
HARRINGTON, JOHN
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 389
Baptism of Joannes Harrington at Spitalfields in 1868
No father on index. Mother Elizabeth.
Don't look like James and Elizabeth were married!
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I can’t see them in 1871 either.
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Maybe :-\
piece 508 folio 5 page 3
1 + 2 Flower + Dean Street, Spitalfields
James McGorman Married 26 Cabinet Maker, born Bermondsey
Elizabeth McGorman Married 28 Shoreditch
John McGorman 3 Spitalfields
All lodgers (head/wife/son crossed out)
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Birth reg of an Annie Harrington
Sep 1871, Whitechapel 1c 332
Can't find it on new index tonight (it is now past midnight!)
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Birth reg of an Annie Harrington
Sep 1871, Whitechapel 1c 332
Can't find it on new index tonight (it is now past midnight!)
No I couldn’t find it either on GRO. Yes, it is late ::)
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Maybe :-\
piece 508 folio 5 page 3
1 + 2 Flower + Dean Street, Spitalfields
James McGorman Married 26 Cabinet Maker, born Bermondsey
Elizabeth McGorman Married 28 Shoreditch
John McGorman 3 Spitalfields
All lodgers (head/wife/son crossed out)
Looks very good - well done Jon.
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There is this death
Decembe4 1876 Whitechapel
James Goodman 37 yrs
I don't think this helps much but...
Burial
name: James Goodman
buried: 20 Dec 1876; City of London Cemetery, Little Ilford
age: 37 years
residence: London Hospital
death district: Whitechapel Church?, Middlesex
parish: St Mary
no: 139502
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1870-to-december-1879/register-028/1073016
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Possible death of Elizabeth?
1896 Q3 Death - Betsey Goodman; age 50 (born c1846); Whitechapel; 01C; 229
EDIT: Ignore this, I think this one is likely the wife of Marks Goodman, both born Russia.
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Thank you all so much! I am so grateful and overwhelmed at these responses. It’s very exciting so I will go through all records you have shared properly today.
Some background…
I knew about Elizabeth Harrington through recently purchasing Catherine (my G grandmother’s birth certificate) and it had Elizabeth Harrington and James Goodman as parents. I have quite a lot of records on her. She married a German protestant in Birmingham but they baptised their kids in a Catholic Church up there.
The issue is going beyond Elizabeth and James, I am struggling to find records of them and their parentage. I reckon they married in Ireland and came over during the famine and Irish records have been tricky. Plus there are so many with the same names so it’s hard to know who are the right ones.
Jonw65 - Yes, I believe those are the children and I have those records (Catherine, Maryann and James Goodman). I had not seen that infirmary record but that would make sense. I have noticed records for both mother Elizabeth and James living separately stating they are widowed on forms, so perhaps he deserted them and that’s why they both just put widowed. Even the daughter Catherine put on her marriage record that her father James was deceased, but I saw a record recently that seemed like him alive at the time (he was living in the area and a retired dock worker - living in a union workhouse). I saw a comment saying they may not have been married at all which could have been the case!
I hadn’t seen those family search records before so will look at those today. :)
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There is this death
Decembe4 1876 Whitechapel
James Goodman 37 yrs
I don't think this helps much but...
Burial
name: James Goodman
buried: 20 Dec 1876; City of London Cemetery, Little Ilford
age: 37 years
residence: London Hospital
death district: Whitechapel Church?, Middlesex
parish: St Mary
no: 139502
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1870-to-december-1879/register-028/1073016
This is interesting, thanks. Catherine who married in 1899 had put him as deceased on her marriage cert.
I had suspected this might have been him in the 1911 census:
Name James Goodman
Age in 1911 67
Estimated Birth Year 1844
Relation to Head Inmate
Gender Male
Birth Place Whitechapel
Civil parish Mile End Old Town
Country England
Street Address Whitechapel Union Workhouse, South Grove Bow E
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation Formerly Dock Labourer
Registration District Number 21
Sub-registration district Mile End Old Town North Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel 34-37
Piece 1650
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This might be a good one
28 Dec 1872
Elizabeth Harrington, age 30, 7 Flower + Dean Street, Wife of James, Labourer
John Harrington, age 5
Annie Harrington, 18 months
Deserted + pregnant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-ZSXC-L
29 Dec 1872
James Harrington
Born
Child of Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-ZSXM-9?i=1099
This definitely looks like them, thanks! Hadn't seen this before.
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I reckon they married in Ireland and came over during the famine and Irish records have been tricky.
Elizabeth was born in Shoreditch so that seems unlikely.
Did Catherine give an occupation for her father when she married or is it just 'deceased'? What is James' occupation on Catherine's birth cert?
Debra :)
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Ah yes true.
Her marriage cert says he was a gas fitter (James Goodman). There is another record for a Catherine in 1891 at 5 Crossland Sq Bethnal Green with James Goodman father, a widowed bell hanger who was born in St Olaves. Apparently bell hangers and gas fitter was a crossover occupation so I thought this could be him, but not sure! It also has sister Mary Ann on it, aged 15 born at St Georges in the East.
But on the '81 census it has them living with the mother who has also put widowed. It's very confusing.
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Seems as if Elizabeth and James weren’t properly married :-\ perhaps it would be worth researching if one of them was already married to someone else and they were also separated? maybe you could also check parish minute books to see if James had to pay any fine for having illegitimate children/deserting them.
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St Anne, Underwood Road, Spitalfields, 8 April 1868
Joannes Harrington
Born 4 March 1868
Mother Elizabeth Harrington
Godmother Elizabeth Reardon?
St Mary Moorfields, 21 March 1873
Jacobus Goodman
Born 29 December 1872
Father Jacobi Goodman
Mother Elizabetha Goodman olim Harrington
Godmother Eliza Connor?? (needs another look!)
St Anne, Underwood Road, Spitalfields, 23 Sep 1874
Maria Anna Goodman
Born 15 July 1874
Father Jacobi Goodman
Mother Elizabethe Goodman olim Harrington
Godmother Honora Manning
St Anne, Underwood Road, Spitalfields, 6 May 1877
Catharina Goodman
Born 19 March 1877
Father Jacobi Goodman
Mother Elizabeth Goodman olim Harrington
Godmother Kate Bryan
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One of those Infirmary admissions for the three children had them being admitted from the Forest Gate School in 1884
Whitechapel Union
Register of Children at Forest Gate, etc
24 Nov 1881
John Goodman, 8, RC
Mary A Goodman, 7, RC
Relative Brother John Goodman, Industrial School, Little Ilford
21 June 1883
Mary A Goodman, 9, RC, from Margate, there since 12 July 82
Catherine should be there too, from that Infirmary record
There is a Catherine Goodman at bottom of page, 20 Dec 1883, but she is 4, and religion C of E :-\
Mother in prison
Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-H7HH-B
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More exciting stuff :)
Whitechapel Union
South Grove Workhouse Religious Creed Register
7.6.83
Mary Ann Goodman, 9, Roman Catholic
Admitted from Whitechapel Infirmary*
Discharged 22.6.83
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG6-V3M7-H
*The infirmary admission says she was admitted from Margate, so that ties in with the Forest Gate School record.
12.12.83
Catherine Goodman, born 1879, Ch of Eng
Admitted from Marlborough P. C. (Police Court)
Informant Magistrate
Mother Elizh 1 months impr. for begging
Discharged 20.12.83*
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG6-VS11-F
*That is the date Catherine went to Forest Gate, as per previous post.
So did the Magistrate or the Whitechapel Union get a few little details wrong, like her age and religion! Or is it someone else?
Mother was Elizabeth, according to the creed register.
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Relative Brother John Goodman, Industrial School, Little Ilford
Looks like he is there in the 1881 census, as Harrington.
St Nicholas Industrial School
Parish East Ham
Eccl. Parish Emmanuel Forest Gate
Harrington John Inmate 14 Scholar, born London Middle(sex)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-91DF
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Another possible death
March 1873 Whitechapel 1c 274
Harrington, Annie
Age 1
No baptism found for her :(
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12.12.83
Catherine Goodman, born 1879, Ch of Eng
Admitted from Marlborough P. C. (Police Court)
Informant Magistrate
Mother Elizh 1 months impr. for begging
Discharged 20.12.83*
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG6-VS11-F
*That is the date Catherine went to Forest Gate, as per previous post.
So did the Magistrate or the Whitechapel Union get a few little details wrong, like her age and religion! Or is it someone else?
Mother was Elizabeth, according to the creed register.
Catherine was only 4, she may not have known her religion. C. of E. might have been assumed. She was probably confused and upset in the circumstances. Someone asked me my age when I was 4 and I told them I was 6.
Religion of my Catholic GGF was C. of E. on his attestation form when he joined army for Boer War.
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Another possible death
March 1873 Whitechapel 1c 274
Harrington, Annie
Age 1
No baptism found for her :(
Burial
name: Annie Harrington
buried: 06 Feb 1873; City of London Cemetery, Little Ilford
age: 1 1/2 years
residence: 93 Leman? Street
death district: Goodmans? Fields, Middlesex
parish: St Mary
union: Whitechapel
no: 108665
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1870-to-december-1879/register-022/1070858
Maps: Leman Street, Whitechapel
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.51430&lon=-0.07087&layers=170&b=1
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/316976811#map=17/51.51535/-0.07093
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Apologies if these workhouse records have been posted. I have looked back and can’t see them. I mentioned them last night but didn’t post and Jon has worked so hard today with all the records.
Stepney
Admission 20th March 1874 Discharge 8th April 1874
Elizabeth Goodman 32 yrs widow of James, labourer
John 6 yrs - 27th March to Forest Gate school
James 1 yr
41 Lambeth Street
15th July 1874 - discharge 1st August 1874
The same address
Elizabeth Goodman 32 yrs widow of James, Dock Labourer. ‘In Labour ‘
John 4 yrs child of Elizabeth
Mary Ann Child of Elizabeth. ‘born’
I am not sure of the annotation next to John - it could be ‘dest’ (destitute) or ‘death’
The age is wrong for both John and James ???
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Catherine was only 4, she may not have known her religion. C. of E. might have been assumed. She was probably confused and upset in the circumstances. Someone asked me my age when I was 4 and I told them I was 6.
Religion of my Catholic GGF was C. of E. on his attestation form when he joined army for Boer War.
Good points, Maiden Stone, and really "our" Catherine should be in those records as she was admitted to the Infirmary in 1884 from the Forest Gate School.
So I will assume it is her!
Burial
name: Annie Harrington
buried: 06 Feb 1873; City of London Cemetery, Little Ilford
age: 1 1/2 years
residence: 93 Leman? Street
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1870-to-december-1879/register-022/1070858
Well found again, cuffie.
I did have a look, and missed her. My excuse is that horrible spidery handwriting, and I refuse to expand all the pages to get a better look!
One thing - both that burial, and that of James Goodman you found, were in consecrated ground (sadly they don't tell us who performed the ceremony)
But maybe again they weren't bothered.
Apologies if these workhouse records have been posted.
Great finds, heywood, and we haven't had those before.
I am going to find them on microfilm on FamilySearch to look at, because I can't read them very well on those ancestry scans!
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Wow very impressed with all that you've found! I had no idea about these workhouse/infirmary and children's home records so it's good to get a picture of their childhood, bleak as it may have been. On my mother's side I had an ancestor - an orphan - who was sent to a children's home in Margate so I wonder if it's the same one Mary Ann was sent to. I live in London too so will take a trip into the East End to take a look at these streets, very exciting :)
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https://www.workhouses.org.uk is like an online encyclopaedia.