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I am trying to find out about my mothers great grandfather his name is Patrick frazor he worked on the railway as a porter his father was also called Patrick and was in the police they lived in kilfree in 1901 I have found them on the census but he is not on the census it show they lived on market st in a shop the head of the family was mary frazor a widow aged aged ann martin 34 patricks wife.
Her 3 daughters Mary kate Edth and Lili and anns brother James who was a postman aged 45 I have also found them on the 1911 cense again on Market street but ann is the head of the family and with 4 daughters James Frazor is not listed Mary Frazor had died in 1902/3 ? and the father Patrick Martin is listed as working away after this I can not find oout anything else I would like to locate him as he seems to be a bit of a mystery can any help me please tina allan
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Is that Kilfree in County Sligo, Ireland or some other place?
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Hi Tina,
Just for information. Here is the Frazer and Martin family in 1901 that you refer to but they are in Ballymote. Is that right?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Ballymote/Market_Street/1679364/
1911 they are Martyn in Ballymote.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Ballymote/Market_Street/752640/
It helps too if you don’t use all capital letters. It’s more difficult to read.
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Here is the birth of daughter Beatrice - Bee Teresa in 1904. Patrick’s residence then is shown as Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01806/1707590.pdf
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Mary Frazer died in 1909- daughter Ann was the informant-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05461/4528222.pdf
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James Frazer, retired postman, died 1936, informant daughter Teresa-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04810/4294796.pdf
Daughter Teresa married 1939-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08858/5203142.pdf
James Frazer's 2nd marriage in 1902 gives father as GeorgeFrazer-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10224/5721587b.pdf
Son James Patrick Frazer born 1906-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01720/1680529.pdf
Daughters Angela and Eileen Clair Frazer born 1912-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01473/1600120.pdf
Daughter Anne Jane Frazer born 1909-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01613/1646981.pdf
Daughter Mary Josephine Frazer born 1903-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01839/1717824.pdf
James' wife Ann Jane died 1934-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04843/4313691.pdf
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLIES ITIS HELPFUL BUT I STILL NEED TO DIG DEEPER I CAN'T FIND OUT WHERE MARY IS BURIED AGAIN WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR MORE ADVICE
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Is that Kilfree in County Sligo, Ireland or some other place?
it is the kilfree in ballymote thanks for your help
yes
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James Frazer, retired postman, died 1936, informant daughter Teresa-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04810/4294796.pdf
Daughter Teresa married 1939-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08858/5203142.pdf
James Frazer's 2nd marriage in 1902 gives father as GeorgeFrazer-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10224/5721587b.pdf
Son James Patrick Frazer born 1906-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01720/1680529.pdf
Daughters Angela and Eileen Clair Frazer born 1912-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01473/1600120.pdf
Daughter Anne Jane Frazer born 1909-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01613/1646981.pdf
still typing ...
thank you so much for all your information that is great very much appreciated tina
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Hi Tina,
Just for information. Here is the Frazer and Martin family in 1901 that you refer to but they are in Ballymote. Is that right?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Ballymote/Market_Street/1679364/
1911 they are Martyn in Ballymote.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Ballymote/Market_Street/752640/
It helps too if you don’t use all capital letters. It’s more difficult to read.
thank you so much tina allen
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I'm still putting together details. In the meantime here's a bit about Kilfree Station-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilfree_Junction_railway_station
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James Frazer & family in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Ballymote/Mill_Street/752655/
James' daughter Eileen Clair died aged 1 week & her twin Angela died 6 years later-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05351/4490896.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05161/4423353.pdf
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Is that Kilfree in County Sligo, Ireland or some other place?
it is the kilfree in ballymote thanks for your help
yes
Here's the townland of Kilfree in Kilfree civil parish. It's about 15 km south of the village of Ballymote.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/coolavin/kilfree/kilfree/kilfree/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3309975#map=12/54.0313/-8.4800
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I'm still putting together details. In the meantime here's a bit about Kilfree Station-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilfree_Junction_railway_station
thanks again look forward tohearing from you soon tina
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Is that Kilfree in County Sligo, Ireland or some other place?
it is the kilfree in ballymote thanks for your help
yes
Here's the townland of Kilfree in Kilfree civil parish. It's about 15 km south of the village of Ballymote.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/coolavin/kilfree/kilfree/kilfree/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3309975#map=12/54.0313/-8.4800
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Is that Kilfree in County Sligo, Ireland or some other place?
it is the kilfree in ballymote thanks for your help
yes
Here's the townland of Kilfree in Kilfree civil parish. It's about 15 km south of the village of Ballymote.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/coolavin/kilfree/kilfree/kilfree/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3309975#map=12/54.0313/-8.4800
thank you again i am hoping i can trace patrick martin thanks
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I started with Frazers because they were very easy to trace. A few more bits of information before details of Martins.
James’ 1st wife Margaret died 1897-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05848/4657008.pdf
Sligo Champion, 8 Jan.1898: It is with deep regret we have to chronicle the death of Mrs. Frazer, wife of Mr. James Frazer (a well-known sportsman), which took place at her residence in Newtown on Thursday, 23rd Dec., from heart disease.
Sligo Independent, 4 Nov.1893: THE POSTMAN AND THE DOCTOR. On Wednesday's list ... action for slander brought against Dr Andrew _, of ... Jas. Frazer, town postman of Ballymote, claiming damages ...
Possibly James-
Sligo Independent, 4 May 1901: ... and local cyclist, in the person of Mr James Frazer, met with an accident whilst cycling between Tobercorry and Ballymote, owing to the chain of his cycle giving way whilst riding down a steep hill. Mr Frazer being of a very robust constitution, we ...
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thank you again i am hoping i can trace patrick martin thanks
Patrick Martin married Annie Frazer in 1891 at Ballymote RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10684/5893766.pdf
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Ann Martin's death registered by daughter Beatrice Finn- listed as widow-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04695/4252694.pdf
Beatrice Martin married 1936- father Patrick Martin, checker-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08929/5229535.pdf
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Patrick Martin in Belfast in 1901 (fits with Beatrice's birth registration)- notice birthplace given as County Cavan-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward__Belfast/Princes_Street/974556/
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Great find aghadowey. I didn’t see that when I searched earlier. It gives an age to work with. :)
And a birth county :)
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Can't find Patrick Martin in 1911 yet but some interesting, and conflicting, information-
Daughter Mary Kate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02336/1874099.pdf (father- Robert Martin labourer)
I think this is the correct Mary Kate Martin even though father listed as John Martin labourer (Beatrice Martin witness)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09744/5536080.pdf
Daughter Edith-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02261/1850064.pdf (father- Kilfree)
Daughter Annie Elizabeth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02161/1819215.pdf (father Patrick Martin Cavan signal man of railway)
Wonder who the witness Lizzie Annie Martin is for 1891 marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10684/5893766.pdf
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Might have found Patrick's father Patrick and lots of other Martins ;D
Back soon ...
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Looking for witness Lizzie Annie Martin from the 1891 Martin/Frazer marriage led me to this family-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Butlersbridge/Butlersbridge/1059909/
Widow Kate born Co. Mayo fits as after marriage policemen would have been moved on from wife's native county. Daughter Lizzie in household.
Then found son Frederick's birth in Tullybuck, Co. Cavan- parents Patrick Martin (ex policeman) & Catherine Richeson?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03042/2115379.pdf
Catherine Martin, widow of ex-policeman, died 1924 at Tullybuck, informant was daughter Lizzie's husband-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1924/05039/4378606.pdf
Lizzie Martin married 1902 John Mulligan- her father Patrick Martin (dead) Pensioner R.I.C.-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10293/5746427.pdf
1911 census- she's Lizzie A. which fits with Lizzie Annie Martin witness to 1891 Martin/Frazer wedding-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Cavan_Rural/Coolboyoge/339255/
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Back to the 1901 census- grandson Patrick Wm. Martin, age 11, born Co.Tyrone-
Birth of Patrick William Martin 1890 at Moy, Co. Tyrone- parents- John Martin (Constable R.I.C.) & Sarah Ann Mockford-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02446/1909584.pdf
Lizzie Annie Martin also witness at marriage of brother John to Sarah Mockford-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10725/5910426.pdf
James (1871)- parents Patrick Martin (policeman) & Catherine Richardson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1871/2207248a.pdf
Patrick (1866)- father police constable-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03496/2284740.pdf
Joseph (1872)- father policeman-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03233/2184935.pdf
Francis Albert (1874)- father policeman-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03124/2145546.pdf
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Patrick Martin died 1900- informant son Frederick-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05744/4621742.pdf
Francis Albert Martin went to Pennsylvania, married & had family.
Joseph? died 1960 'retired station master'
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04342/4123271.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Kilcock/Boycetown/1437329/
Eliza Martin (1868)- father Patrick (police man)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/supp_births/2342731x.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Hill_of_Down/Molerick/715960/
Christopher Bernard Martin (1877)- father Patrick (ex policeman)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02986/2094013.pdf