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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: helenw on Monday 05 September 05 13:21 BST (UK)
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I was wandering if anyone could help me.
The Chappell/Welby family used to live on a farm on Cuckoo Road in Spalding in the late 1800s however we can not find any trace of Cuckoo Road existing now.
The reason we are looking for it is a point of interest really, the farm was known as Chappell Mill (within the family) and family legend has it that at some point the father disinherited his son and changed his will and left the farm to his daughter. When she married her husband basically drank away the farm and it was lost in debts.
We are planning to go to the records office and dig out the wills so we can see at which generation this happened but it would be nice to see one of the family homes (if it still exists) if anyone can shed any light for me on the location that would be great.
Thanks
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Hi Helen,
I dont know if this is any help to you but there is a Cuckoo Lane in Pinchbeck which comes under spalding.In the 1881 census there were a lot of Chappells living in Pinchbeck at Glen side and Glen bank.
If you would like to give me some info on yours maybe i could find something out, I live near Spalding.
Sue
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Cuckoo Bridge is about 2miles SW of Spalding
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=520500&y=320500&z=5&sv=520500,320500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=520500&ay=320500
Perhaps the road between Spalding and there was Cuckoo Rd.
A mile to the east of there is Cuckoo Junction Farm, a reminder of a railway signal box at Cuckoo Junction.
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Thanks for that guys, I actually dont live that far from spalding but live far enough that it'd be a proper trip out to see. Also when i put in cuckoo road it just doesnt appear in the spalding area, looks like the original road my have gone or it was never an official road i know what they were all like at making things up......
I'll take a drive out that way, it'd be nice to see if there is a farm resembling the one my family used to own.
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The Cuckoo Road in 1800's seems to have been near to Hawthorne Bank Road, off Winsover Road, or Winsoon Road, probably now known as Horseshoe Road. This is now a well built up area with new housing estates. I can remember the area when it was mostly farm land 60 years ago. Cuckoo Junction Farm near old railway (Bourne Line) closed some time ago is on Horseshoe Road, also Cuckoo Bridge over the North Drove drain, also a public house used to be near this bridge that may have been called Cuckoo Inn, all to the South South East of Spalding Town center. In 1881 census I have found George Welby, 50 Farmer of 100 acres, Empl.4 Labourers, Matilda, Wife, 52. John Thomas, Son, 22. Elizabeth, Daur. 24. Samuel, Son, 15. Mary Jane, Daur. 13.
I have sent a personal email with some of these details to helenw.
It may also be of interest to others.
Regards
Keith
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Hello Helen
I have just seen your post about Cuckoo Road, Spalding. Its whereabouts has been driving me mad as many of my relatives lived there in the 1800's. Here's a reply from the Lincoln archives that may help.
CUCKOO ROAD, SPALDING
Thank you for your e-mail dated 4 January, received here on 16
January.
I have checked various maps and other sources here at Lincolnshire
Archives and have come to the conclusion that Cuckoo Road was probably
the same as Horseshoe Road, but that Horseshoe Road was its official
name and Cuckoo Road its popular, local name.
The census returns were usually collected in a geographically rational
way, that is to say that places that were adjacent to one another on the
ground will be found in the same order on the census returns. Hence, the
roads on the western edge of Spalding parish are listed in the 1881
census in the following sequence: Bourne Road, Winsover Road, Cuckoo
Road, Hawthorn Bank.
However, when looking at maps of earlier and later dates, there is no
mention of Cuckoo Road, but the only road between Bourne Road/Winsover
Road to the north and Hawthorn Bank to the south is Horseshoe Road
(Railway plan, 1861, reference HCC Plans 28; ecclesiastical boundaries
plan, 1874, reference: 2 CC 59/14029; Ordnance Survey map, 1906,
reference: OS 142/NW).
It seems significant that where the railway crossed Hawthorn Road on
the 1906 OS map, the crossing was called 'Cuckoo Crossing'. The adjacent
farm, which on the 1906 map was called Pode Hole Farm, was called Cuckoo
Junction Farm on a recent road map (1997).
To back up this theory, by the time of the 1891 census, Cuckoo Road had
disappeared from the geographical sequence of roads, but Horseshoe Road
had appeared for the first time, in the same place in the sequence:
Bourne Road, Horseshoe Road, Winsover Road, Hawthorn Bank.
James Stevenson
Archivist
Lincolnshire Archives
best wishes
Gym Junky
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Hi folks,
As a Spaldonian born and bred, now living out of county I too can confirm that "Cuckoo Road" was what is now known as Horseshoe Road. My family lived both on Hawthorn Bank (from 1960 to 1971) and Winsover Road (from 1971 to 1980). As kids we played in "The Cuckoo" area, which was then mainly for bulb growing. I used t play on the "closed" Bourne Rail Line and ghenerally only knew the area between it and Winsover Road as "The Cuckoo".
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my apologies for not saying this earlier exams over the last year have made me put my family search on hold
Thank you everyone for your information hopefully I'll be able to pass this on to my Dad whose side of the family lived at Cuckoo farm once. All he has is a painting of the farm and the family stories past down
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Only just joined rootschat so sorry for late reply. My mother's family also lived at Cuckoo Farm. Names in the family were Vinter/Bristow/Creek. Any information would be appreciated. Regards. Jane
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Hello Helen,
I run Welbys Farm on Horseshoe Road. I understand that it was owned by George Welby. I know nothing of the Chappell conection. The Lincs (Holland) County Council purchased the farm in 1893, which I think co incided with George's death. They paid £3750 for 88 acres. It was originally called Fen Farm, but was renamed after its previous owner.
We came to the farm in 1959, & were told that our official address was Cuckoo Road, Spalding. It was still Cuckoo Road in 1970, but was joined to Horseshoe Road at a later date.
I personally demolished the farmhouse & buildings
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Hate to be cheeky but I wonder if anyone has any idea where Jockey Drove, Pinchbeck West was abt 1901? My grandad was born there........
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Jockey Drove is the same as Starlode Drove, W Pinchbeck.
Hope this helps
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Many Thanks x
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Sorry but I was wondering whether anyone might be able to help me.
I am doing research on history of the Holmes family from the Spalding area. In particular I wondered whether anyone knows of the Holmes family that used to have a potato farm in Spalding in the 1930s. And whether someone called Cyril Holmes (b. maybe born around 1910?) lived there.
I found an online Kelly's Directory (1919) and it says a James Holmes, farmer, lived at Clay Lake – which from the aerial map looks semi-rural. I wondered whether anyone remembers that place. I checked and there seems to be a potato farm around there even now - but owned by a different family.
I found out that in 1934 a Cyril Arthur Holmes lived in Carrington Road, Spalding and was a railway clerk (presumably at local station?). He was married to someone called Helen Garwell (there are a couple of Garwells locally - one is a corn and flour merchant at 1 High Street and the other is a publican called Banjamin Garwell at the Cross Keys Inn). They had a son called Michael Holmes (b. early 1930s) who apparently later joined the army. Think this part of the family moved away to Kettering. I’m only guessing, but I think these Holmes might be related to the Clay Lake potato farmers who lived nearby. Can anybody help? Or know who to ask?
Sorry to be so speculative. Any advice or local knowledge very much appreciated.
Many thanks.
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On 9th May 2010 "Armadale" wrote <<I am doing research on history of the Holmes family from the Spalding area. In particular I wondered whether anyone knows of the Holmes family that used to have a potato farm in Spalding in the 1930s. And whether someone called Cyril Holmes (b. maybe born around 1910?) lived there.
I found an online Kelly's Directory (1919) and it says a James Holmes, farmer, lived at Clay Lake – which from the aerial map looks semi-rural. I wondered whether anyone remembers that place. I checked and there seems to be a potato farm around there even now - but owned by a different family.
I found out that in 1934 a Cyril Arthur Holmes lived in Carrington Road, Spalding and was a railway clerk (presumably at local station?). He was married to someone called Helen Garwell (there are a couple of Garwells locally - one is a corn and flour merchant at 1 High Street and the other is a publican called Banjamin Garwell at the Cross Keys Inn). They had a son called Michael Holmes (b. early 1930s) who apparently later joined the army. Think this part of the family moved away to Kettering. I’m only guessing, but I think these Holmes might be related to the Clay Lake potato farmers who lived nearby. Can anybody help? Or know who to ask? >>
Armadale, you might already know this - the 1911 Census includes in the family of Arthur George (& wife Sarah) HOLMES several children including "Cyril Arthur" aged 10 years(therefore born abt 1901). Cyril's father worked as a << Railway Goods Guard >> for the Midland(s) & Gt Northern railway. They lived at what looks like 43 Havelock street, Spalding.
Regarding the James HOLMES & Clay Lake in the '11 census a 30 y/o single man farmed << Clay Lake Farm, Spalding >>. This James "might be a James HOLMES in my own tree but he is 3 years too young! Also My James had been in S Africa (building railways coincidentally) but so far I've not been able to track (no pun) down when he left and returned to England but I know that he married in about June 1912 in Spalding area.
Perhaps this will help you?
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In 1913 Daisy Chappell (b. 1889) of Pode Hole married Samuel William Creek (b.1888) who was a horseman on a farm, and they were living at "Cuckoo" by 1939, if this is of any interest/use to anyone who has posted on this thread. Samuel's family were at Cuckoo Bridge in 1901, and his father was a farm labourer.
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May be a bit late now, but I found this page helpful whilst researching my Spalding and Pinchbeck ancestors:
https://www.heritagesouthholland.co.uk/article/did-you-know-series-origins-of-spalding-road-names/