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Dear All
I am looking for the death and census for John Bell Bell born in 1874 in Workington, Cumberland his parents were William Bell and Ann Johnstone. Looks like John has died in 1952 in Box Hill, Victoria, Australia and his wife Mary Elizabeth McIldowie, she was born on the 3 May 1873 in Annan, Dumfriesshire and her parents were John McIldowie and Harriet Jones. I also think that Mary's mother also died in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia in 1931?
John and Mary married on 4 June 1901 in Annan, dumfriesshire.
REgards
Oletta
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What year did they emigrate?
https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/statistics/statistics-population-and-census-reports
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I have found him in the 1881 census, living in Workington, with Grandmother Ann Johnson, parents William and Annie, William is a Draper plus six siblings and a servant.
Regards.
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Death for Mary Eliz Bell
Age 76
Death 2/10/1948
3 ,John St Box Hill
Father John .Mclldowie
Mother Harriet Jones
Findagrave ( Box Hill Cemetery )
Rosie
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Dear All
I have found Harriet aged 65, son John aged 25, occupation as a joiner, Georgina, Occupation Domestic servant and Alice also a domestic servant all travelling to Australia.
The ship that they are on is the "Runic" a white star line and they departed on the 17 October 1912, England and destination was Melbourne, Australia.
Regards
oletta
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Harriet Mcildowie
Death Victoria
Jan 1932
Father Morris Jones
Mother Tunley
Also on findagrave.com same cemetery
Rosie
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Electoral Rolls for Harriet Mcildowie address Bishop Street Victoria 1914
Also Georgina Mcildowie
John Mcildowie ( joiner )
1931
Harriet McIldowie
Georgina McIldowie ( typist )
Address 6,Glendearg Gr
Malvern Victoria
Rosie
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John and Mary Elizabeth Bell appeared to have lived at Box Hill Victoria until their deaths
Address 3,John Street Box Hill
John's occupation was a painter
Rosie
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Thank you to all for the information you have all given me
REgards
Oletta
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You can purchase certificates online: https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/efamily-history/62d5f415288a352222c652ab?q=efamily
2216/1932 MCILDOWIE Harriet mother TUNLEY father JONES Morris death MALVERN aged 88
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123894000/harriet-mcildownie
Probate notice, 2nd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4469476
10794/1948 BELL Mary Elizabeth mother Harriett JONES father MCILDOWIE John birth ANNAN SCOTLAND death BOX HILL aged 76
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123862748/mary-elizabeth-bell
1168/1952 BELL John Bell mother unknown father BELL death BOX HILL aged 76
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123862723/john-bell-bell
Added: The sons:
354/1929 BELL Wm Burns to LOWE, Hetta Violet
19582/1979 BELL William Burns mother Mary Elizabeth MCILDOWIE father BELL John birth Annan Scotland death Melbourne aged 74
BELL Williams Burns Death notice 24AUG1979 Death 74 at Melbourne, formerly of Annan, Scotland The Age (Melbourne) 27AUG1979
BELL Henrietta Violet (Vi) Death notice 5JUL2008 Death 101 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 9JUL2008
William Burns BELL Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 28 August 1979
Henrietta Violet BELL Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 9 July 2008
7816/1933 BELL Maurice Jno Mcledowie to BICHARD Joyce G'trude Etherington
Harriette’s children:
Births:
MCILDOWIE GEORGINA 1880 812/ 150 Annan
MCILDOWIE JOHN 1886 812/ 96 Annan
1881 census
MCILDOWIE James 66
Mary 56
John 34
Harriet 36
Catherine 24
Jean H 18
James 16
Wilhelmina 15
Mary E 7
Janet 5
Georgina 0
1891 census 812/ 3/ 8 Annan Dumfries
MCILDOWIE Mary 67
Harriet 46
John 44
Katie 34
James 26
Wilhelmina 25
Mary 17
Janet 15
Georgina 10
Alice 8
John 4
1901 census 812/ 3/ 11 Annan Dumfries
MCILDOWIE Harriet 56
Catherine 44
James 36
Williamina 35
Mary Elizabeth 27
Janet 25
Georgina 20
Alice 17
John 14
1911 census 812/ 3/ 27 Annan Dumfries
MCILDOWIE Herriet 67
Georgina 30
Allice 27
Deaths:
10240/1925 MCILDOWRIE John mother Harriet JONES father MCILDOWRIE John at MALVERN aged 39
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2139381
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123894002/john-mcildownie
NSW death: 3435/1966 MCILDOWIE Georgina parents JOHN and HARRIETT at SYDNEY
MCILDOWIE Georgina Death notice 2JUL1966 Death 85 Sydney Morning Herald 4JUL1966
I cannot find a marriage, or death for Alice.
Jamjar
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203184913
McILDOWIE — On the 14th January, at 6 Glendearg-grove, Malvern, Harriet, widow of the late John McIldowie, Annan, Scotland, and beloved mother of Mary (Mrs. Bell), Mabel (deceased), Annie (deceased), Janet (deceased), Georgina, Alice (deceased), and John (deceased). No flowers.
For ever with the Lord.
Funeral notice same page: Box Hill Cemetery
Probate notice: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4469476
.... PROBATE of the WILL, dated 31st May, 1930, of HARRIET McILDOWIE, late of 6 Glendearg grove, Malvern, in the said State, widow, deceased, may be granted to Georgina Mclldowie, of 6 Glcndearg grove aforesaid, spinster, the executrix appointed by the said will.
Prov Wills and Probates: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rp6/
Death and Funeral notice for Mary Elizabeth BELL
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22680539
BELL — At her residence, 3 John street, Box Hill, Mary Elizabeth, wife of John B. Bell, mother of Maurice and Will, and also grandmother of Ian, Rodney and John. Dearly beloved. Absent from the body, present with the Lord.
BELL —On October 3, at Box Hill, our beloved mother and nanna.
—Gone to rest. For ever with the Lord. (Vi, Will, and Ian.)
John BELL 3 death notices state death 22 Jan (probate states death 21st Jan)
and funeral notice : https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23158848
BELL.—On January 22 at his residence 3 John street Box Hill, John dearly loved husband of the late Mary Elizabeth, loved father of Maurice and Will.
BELL.—On January 22 at 3 John street Box Hill, John loved father of Will father-in-law of Violet and grandfather of lan.
BELL.—On January 22, at 3 John street Box Hill, John loved father of Maurice and father-in-law of Joyce and grandfather of John and Rodney.
Probate notice: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23162972
JOHN BELL BELL Late of 3 Johns Street Box Hill Gentleman Deceased....
William Burns Bell of the same address, sandwich shop proprietor the executor of the deceased’s will....
PROV Wills and Probates John B. BELL: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rp7/
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NSW death: 2/07/1966
3435/1966 Georgina MCILDOWIE; John; Harriett; Sydney
PM sent with SMH notices:
SMH Monday 04July1966
MCILDOWIE, Georgina - July 2, 1966, fifth daughter of the late John and Harriet McIldowie (of Annan, Scotland) and sister of Mary, Mabel, Janet, Annie, Alice and John (all deceased) aged 85 years.
Funeral notice: Northern Suburbs Crematorium
Probate Packet: https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW112476758
NRS-13660-54-207-Series 4_656036 | Georgina McIldowie - Date of Death 02/07/1966, Granted on 09/09/1968
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Dear All
Again thank you very much for all the information, it was all very, very helpful
Regards
Oletta
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May be if interest: https://www.mcildowiefamilytree.com/aqwg07.htm
John McIldowie: was born in 10th Jan. 1847 in Annan. He died in 1895 in Annan.
John married Harriet Jones, daughter of Enoch Jones and Ann, in 1872 in Chester. Harriet was born in 1843. She died on 14 Jan 1932 in Melbourne, Australia.
They had the following children.
i. Mary Elizabeth McIldowie was born in 1873.
ii. Mabel Hope McIldowie was born in 1874 in Annan. She died in 1876 in Annan.
iii. Janet McIldowie was born in 1876 in Annan. She died in 1906 in Annan.
iv. Annie McIldowie was born in 1878 in Annan. She died in 1879 in Annan.
v. Georgina McIldowie was born in 1880 in Charles Street, Annan. She died in 1965 in Sydney Australia.
vi. Alice McIldowie was born in 1883 in Annan. She died in 1912 in South Africa.
Alice died in Gardens Countfield House Cape Town from Grave No 684 B Maitland Road Cemetery.
vii. John McIldowie was born in 1886 in Charles Street, Annan. He died on 17 Sep 1925 in Melbourne, Australia
Notes:
John McIldowie: Died as a result of an accident while building the mansion house at ??
Harriet continued to live at 6 Charles Street, Annan following the accidental death of her Husband in 1895.
In 1912 she and three of her family Georgina, Alice and John emigated to Australia.
On route Alice died at Cape Town the remainder of the family later continued to Melbourne where they lived in the area called Malvern.
Georgina McIldowie: Worked all her life as a teacher.
Alice McIldowie: Alice died in Cape Town enroute to Australia with her mother sister and brother.
John McIldowie: John trained in the family building business as a joiner and started a building company in Melbourne when the family emigrated.