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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: shadowwind2112 on Wednesday 13 July 22 14:02 BST (UK)
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After doing an awful lot of research, cross checking etc, I have found that someone who I have known for the past 8 to 9 years, is in my family tree, all be it they are related to me via my Great Grand Aunt's Husband. When I click on the person who is related to me, it says the following,
5th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin 4x removed of husband of 2nd cousin of husband of great-grandaunt
So does that mean the person is a distant cousin of mine? If not, distantly related to me.
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Short version: They don't look like a blood relation. There are marriages in between.
Your great-grandaunt had a husband. He had a female 2nd cousin. She had a husband. He had a male 2nd cousin 4x removed. He had a wife. Your friend is a 5th cousin of the wife.
However, if both your families have lived in the same area for a long time, or are from the same area in another country, you could be blood related more closely than that.
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A quick read of it suggests a relationship via husbands and wives. They would be affines (related through marriage) not kin.
What program/app are you using to do your tree and produced that connection?
Gadget
Add - I have husband of xxx or wife of yyyy via Family Historian but I've not found such a mixture as you have!
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I've just received my regular email from Wikitree which shows connections through marriages to prominent characters of the world. This week, Elvis Presley is one of my Cousin Connections, 29th Distant. It seems that we are all related through marriages - one world family.
cheers, your very distant cousin, Ian
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Just for fun, and because I could see there was distant vague link, I put a certain famous person into my tree.
Ancestry tells me that said famous person is the 4th great-grandnephew of the wife of the 2nd great-grandfather of the husband of my 4th cousin 1x removed.
Said famous person is Prince William ---- hm, not sure I can claim royal association with such a vague link!
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Short version: They don't look like a blood relation. There are marriages in between.
Your great-grandaunt had a husband. He had a female 2nd cousin. She had a husband. He had a male 2nd cousin 4x removed. He had a wife. Your friend is a 5th cousin of the wife.
However, if both your families have lived in the same area for a long time, or are from the same area in another country, you could be blood related more closely than that.
But does it mean that I am related to them via Marriges that have happened?
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Well, they wouldn't be described as husband or wife unless they were married to someone.
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5th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin 4x removed of husband of 2nd cousin of husband of great-grandaunt
So does that mean the person is a distant cousin of mine? If not, distantly related to me.
The person is related through marriages to the husband of your g g/aunt whereas she is your relation i.e. you are not related to each other as the link is through marriages only, not blood.
Annie
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I'm not sure that the OP is reading the replies, Annie :-\
A quick read of it suggests a relationship via husbands and wives. They would be affines (related through marriage) not kin.
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I'm not sure that the OP is reading the replies, Annie :-\
A quick read of it suggests a relationship via husbands and wives. They would be affines (related through marriage) not kin.
I agree & was trying to make it as clear as one can...simple answer is...no relation whatsoever to the OP.
Annie
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Best make that no known genetic relationship ;D
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;D
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I'm not sure that the OP is reading the replies, Annie :-\
A quick read of it suggests a relationship via husbands and wives. They would be affines (related through marriage) not kin.
Again a snotty reply. All I asked was a question, and is it possible to be related not via blood, but distantly via marriage?
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Don't be so rude. We have beeen trying to answer you question but you don't seem to understand.
We have been trying to tell you for a good while that you are related by marriage but not by blood.
This means that you are not related biologically.
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There are many books and papers on geanealogy. This is a quick online ref
https://www.genuki.org.uk/gs
scroll to Genealogy and Family History
Also Google these terms amd you will get lots of refs.
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If you want to do further investigations, it might be worth you and your friend taking DNA tests(probably Ancestry) and upload the results to other sites which have chromosome browsers, etc. so that you can check if you are possibly related by 'blood'.
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is it possible to be related not via blood, but distantly via marriage?
If you really want to include the 'person' as part of your family tree, the term I would use is 'connected' via several marriages to the husband of your g g/aunt.
The definition you gave...
"5th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin 4x removed of husband of 2nd cousin of husband of great-grandaunt"...
clearly shows no 'relationship' to your family although there's a very remote 'connection' to the husband of your g g/aunt.
As an example, my maternal aunt married & her husband became my uncle (through marriage) & their children are my 1st cousins.
In no way am I 'related' through marriage to anyone else in my uncle's family no matter how close or distant to him...
He married my bloodline aunt (sister of my mother) & any relationship with him & his wider family ends there as nobody else in his family is 'related' to me via that marriage.
If I was talking to someone who knew my uncles' sister, I wouldn't say I was related to her because I'm not, not even through marriage.
To explain any 'connection' to my 'family', I'd say she was 'related' to my cousins as she's their aunt & no relation to me.
That's the best I can explain your very remote 'connection'.
Annie
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is it possible to be related not via blood, but distantly via marriage?
If you really want to include the 'person' as part of your family tree, the term I would use is 'connected' via several marriages to the husband of your g g/aunt.
The definition you gave...
"5th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin 4x removed of husband of 2nd cousin of husband of great-grandaunt"...
clearly shows no 'relationship' to your family although there's a very remote 'connection' to the husband of your g g/aunt.
As an example, my maternal aunt married & her husband became my uncle (through marriage) & their children are my 1st cousins.
In no way am I 'related' through marriage to anyone else in my uncle's family no matter how close or distant to him...
He married my bloodline aunt (sister of my mother) & any relationship with him & his wider family ends there as nobody else in his family is 'related' to me via that marriage.
If I was talking to someone who knew my uncles' sister, I wouldn't say I was related to her because I'm not, not even through marriage.
To explain any 'connection' to my 'family', I'd say she was 'related' to my cousins as she's their aunt & no relation to me.
That's the best I can explain your very remote 'connection'.
Annie
So basically my friend is very distantly related to me, via not a bloodline relative? A simple yes/no answer
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You've had a lot of good replies. If you're after a simple yes/no, answer, how about "No"
Or "Yes", if you count being linked by a series of marriages" rather than being genetically related.
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"So basically my friend is very distantly related to me, via not a bloodline relative? A simple yes/no answer"
You're clearly desperate to tell your friend you're 'related', which you aren't i.e. ignoring the facts shown via the definition you gave us & the very obvious to follow example I posted.
I'll try one last time...
Anyone marrying into your family is only related to you via that marriage i.e. you are not related to anyone else who is related to the person who married into your family in any way/shape/form either by blood or not i.e. the simple answer is no!
Please read over the example I gave regarding my maternal aunt & her husband.
As I mentioned previously, you could say your friend & you 'connect/link' to the said g g/aunt & her husband but in no way do you directly connect/link to each other i.e. not 'related' in any way as the friend is connected to one half of the marriage & you to the other.
Any relationship to a 'marry-in' to your family goes no further than that 1 person.
Annie
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To all who have replied to this post - you may want to take a look at a previous thread by this poster - again containing accusations of rudeness by RC members
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=860994.msg7303706#msg7303706
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Thanks Carole for the 'heads-up'!
It seems the OP posts requests but unless we agree with what the OP wants to hear, we're wrong & 'rude'.
I will not be taking part in any future posts/threads by shadowwind2112 as it seems none of us here on RC are capable of giving correct/true info.
All of us who have replied on either threads have had their replies dismissed in one way or another.
I hope others in future take note & don't waste their time looking up info. for the OP which is also likely to be dismissed going by the record of the current 2 threads.
Annie
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I couldn't have put it better myself Annie
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Agree. I looked through the previous posts a couple of days ago.