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I am trying to trace my grandfather Robert Glenn born in approx 1862 in County Antrim N.I.
Married in January 1884 to Ellen Hartin in Scotland
any information would be appreciated
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I am trying to trace my grandfather Robert Glenn born in approx 1862 in County Antrim N.I.
Married in January 1884 to Ellen Hartin in Scotland
any information would be appreciated
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 so no birth certificate if born before that date. 'County Antrim' covers a wide area and to search for church records you need a more precise location as well as an idea of religion.
Does the 1884 Scottish marriage record not list names of both his parents?
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Marriage is under Glen rather than Glenn ...
and possibly death too if it is the following:
GLEN
ROBERT
80
1946
564/2 218
Greenock West
albeit this death would suggest a c1866 birth and may be a Scottish born Robert.
Was your chap already widowed and living at 29, Mcdowall Street, Johnstone by 1891/
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It’s Robert Glenn .
As far as I know my grandfather was married at Greenock in Scotland (possibly 1884) aged 22..may have been Gretna Green…his wife was Ellen Hartin.. they had a large family and lived in Drones area in Co. Antrim..I’m interested in his father also Robert Glenn whose wife’s name may be Jane Wilson but can find no great detail on either one of them. Would be interested in their burial place. …Robert senior was already dead when his son got married.
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The marriage is available on Scotlandspeople and should contain details of Roberts parents.
This looks likely to be the family in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballycregagh/Drumdallagh/944987/
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Birth of daughter, Ellen Glenn, 1904, MMN Hartin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01808/1708305.pdf
The family in 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycregagh/Drumdallagh/128734/
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Thank you for your reply…I will look it up but I think it looks correct.
Any clues as to finding burial records ?
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Presbyterians generally didn’t keep burial records and agricultural labourers often couldn’t afford a gravestone. Tracing them may be tricky. I have access to the burial records for Clough and they are not listed there.
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Robert's death, 1916, age 56, Culbuur
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05254/4456823.pdf
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Possible death of Robert's father, 1872. Jane Glenn present at death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020720/7269832.pdf
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Robert's death, 1916, age 56, Culbuur
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05254/4456823.pdf
Townland is Culbane which marches Drumdallagh-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/dunluce-upper/loughguile/castlequarter/culbane/
Possible death of Robert's father, 1872. Jane Glenn present at death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020720/7269832.pdf
Townland is Clintyfinnan which is divided into 2 parts (East & West)-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/dunluce-upper/loughguile/ballycregagh/clontyfinnan-east/
Death of above Jane Glenn?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05960/4693947.pdf (informant- William Glenn)
There is also an indexed death for a Jane Glenn (c1794-1867) who might be Robert wife
Also a submitted (and incomplete tree) on Family Search (as well as one on Ancestry)-
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G848-QKG
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It’s Robert Glenn .
As far as I know my grandfather was married at Greenock in Scotland (possibly 1884) aged 22..may have been Gretna Green…his wife was Ellen Hartin.
Just in case you still can't find the marriage in Scotland (although it is easily found via the Hartin name), here is the index entry for it. As you can clearly see, even if usually "Glenn", it was, as I mentioned earlier, indexed under "Glen". In family history research, one has to be open to any/many spelling variations for forenames/middle names/surnames/placenames:
GLEN
ROBERT
HARTIN
ELLEN
1884
564/3 40
Greenock Old or West
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Grateful thanks for all replies, some of which I recognise as correct and other possibilities.
Renewed my interest to keep digging.
Also trying to locate burial record and /or place of Samuel Robinson Glenn in 1935
Died as 5 month old baby….can’t recall exact date but will check that out. This would be my baby brother …most other family graves are to be found mainly in Kilraughts and Old Kilraughts graveyard
Again many thanks to everyone
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Not the burial info, but perhaps the death index for Samuel:
D/1936/29/1005/11/192 Samuel Glenn 12th January 1936 0 Male Ballymoney(pre-1973 Q4)
Certificate available to view online at GRONI for a small charge.
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Most Presbyterian churches didn't keep burial records and if there's no headstone the only sort of record might be details of plots (and not all churches kept such records). Unfortunately often such deaths didn't even have a notice put in the local paper so it can be difficult to find a place of burial.