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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: berleyclay on Friday 01 July 22 14:22 BST (UK)
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Elizabeth Campbell Lyon born 1st August 1888 in Hutchesontown, Glasgow
I believe she had a serious accident as a child, she appears with family in 1891 Census and then disappears, I tried searching 1901 and 1911 records without success. And no death record My mother believed she visited this lady in the 1940’s at some kind of care home in the morningside area of Edinburgh. Are there any research areas I can try to find a child through to adulthood and death who would require medical care?
Any help will be very much appreciated. Thank you
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What leads you to believe she had a serious accident?
Who were her parents?
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1911 Census 644/15 25/ 10 has her parents, John 59 and Elizabeth 57 and siblings, Marion 33, Andrew 26 at 77 Florence Street Glasgow. Elizabeth 20 is a Football Sewer. Married 35 yrs, 10 children of whom 5 are alive.
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What leads you to believe she had a serious accident?
Who were her parents?
My mum was told she had an accident on a swing as a small child!?
Her parents were Elizabeth Campbell 1865-1955 and John Lyon 1867-1920
Siblings were Hugh, William, John, Robert, Jane, James and Charles. I cannot find her after 1891 census nor a death record 😕
Thank you CaroleW for your kind interest
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1911 Census 644/15 25/ 10 has her parents, John 59 and Elizabeth 57 and siblings, Marion 33, Andrew 26 at 77 Florence Street Glasgow. Elizabeth 20 is a Football Sewer. Married 35 yrs, 10 children of whom 5 are alive.
Thank you for your interest and reply this is however the wrong family, in 1911 my family were in Oswald Street, Calton, Glasgow. Parents were 10 years younger than above family and married for 22 yrs 12 children 7 alive, 6 shown on census but not daughter Elizabeth.
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Sad story. Poor little Elizabeth :-\
She died in 1961 at this hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdmanflat_Hospital
She died from a cororany thrombosis, aged 72. One of her brothers reported her death. James maybe from the names you mention for her sibings. See below.
Like you, struggling to see her so far in 1901.
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Sad story. Poor little Elizabeth :-\
She died in 1961 at this hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdmanflat_Hospital
She died from a cororany thrombosis, aged 72. One of her brothers reported her death. James maybe from the names you mention for her sibings. See below.
Like you, struggling to see her so far in 1901.
Fabulous!! 🙂 MonicaL …….assume this record is on scotlands people!? witness signed James C Lyon this is correct for her brother. Many many thanks !!
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If your mother remembers visiting her in Morningside it may have been The Royal Edinburgh which was then and still is now a psychiatric hospital.
The hospital Monica linked to was the same.
I had a relative who died there aged 20 in 1936. I was able to call up and look at this medical notes as it was over 75 years since he had died.
Reading them now I realise he died of sepsis but at the time it was obviously thought he had a delusional mental illness.
I count my blessings for antibiotics!
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If your mother remembers visiting her in Morningside it may have been The Royal Edinburgh which was then and still is now a psychiatric hospital.
The hospital Monica linked to was the same.
I had a relative who died there aged 20 in 1936. I was able to call up and look at this medical notes as it was over 75 years since he had died.
Reading them now I realise he died of sepsis but at the time it was obviously thought he had a delusional mental illness.
I count my blessings for antibiotics!
Appreciate your interest and reply, yes it was Morningside that my mum remembered visiting, it would be interesting to read her notes, however if I have to wait until 75th anniversary of her death I will also be 75😕 she died the year I was born. I think she was institutionalised at a young age which is why finding her on 1901 and 1911 census proving difficult, but to survive until she was 72 she was well looked after or a very strong lady.
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She should show on the censuses in spite of being a resident/patient in hospital/institution. Not sure why she doesn't really.
The 1921 census will be released later this year so another census to try and find her in.
Monica
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Looking again at the 1901. There is one possibility for Elizabeth showing as LyonS:
Elizabeth Lyons, 13 and born in Glasgow. This Elizabeth is showing as a pupil at the Glasgow Deaf and Dumb Institution in Prospecthill Rd, Cathcart.
This was a residential school. Plenty on it online.
Monica
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Possible...
LYON LIZZIE - 1911 - 25 - 685/6 11/ 3 Morningside - Midlothian
or...closer in age & nearer to Cathcart (where she was in 1901)...
LYON ELIZABETH 1911 - 23 - 644/15 47/ 32 - Hutchesontown - Lanark
Annie
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Possible...
LYON LIZZIE - 1911 - 25 - 685/6 11/ 3 Morningside - Midlothian
or...closer in age & nearer to Cathcart (where she was in 1901)...
LYON ELIZABETH 1911 - 23 - 644/15 47/ 32 - Hutchesontown - Lanark
Annie
Many thanks for your reply the Hutchesontown entry I have previously checked unfortunately not correct Elizabeth but many thanks for trying I have found an entry for her at Haddington Asylum 1905-1912 on oldscottish.com
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Looking again at the 1901. There is one possibility for Elizabeth showing as LyonS:
Elizabeth Lyons, 13 and born in Glasgow. This Elizabeth is showing as a pupil at the Glasgow Deaf and Dumb Institution in Prospecthill Rd, Cathcart.
This was a residential school. Plenty on it online.
Monica
Many thanks for all your help MonicaL I have her death certificate thanks to you it looks like they did add an s to her name in the asylum records, I have also done a little further digging and found her on oldscottish.com and shows her at Gartloch, Haddington Asylum from 1905 to 1912, I will search for on 1921 census when it comes online, but for now I am quite satisfied that we have found her and as much info as will be possible for the time being. Many many thanks for your help on this matter i truly appreciate your time and expertise!!
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I was able to call up and look at this medical notes as it was over 75 years since he had died.
if I have to wait until 75th anniversary of her death I will also be 75
How lucky to have found her on https://www.scottishindexes.com/hentry.aspx?hid=1405508 & be able to read her whole file for £15.00 without having to travel is excellent value!
It would cost me more than £15.00 travelling to & from Edinburgh alone.
Annie
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Hi Berleyclay,
The hospital in Haddington was called Herdmanflat, it had a Garleton Unit.
See this link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdmanflat_Hospital
Tom B
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I was able to call up and look at this medical notes as it was over 75 years since he had died.
if I have to wait until 75th anniversary of her death I will also be 75
How lucky to have found her on https://www.scottishindexes.com/hentry.aspx?hid=1405508 & be able to read her whole file for £15.00 without having to travel is excellent value!
It would cost me more than £15.00 travelling to & from Edinburgh alone.
Annie
Many thanks for this information yes it would be very interesting to see her file
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Hi Berleyclay,
The hospital in Haddington was called Herdmanflat, it had a Garleton Unit.
See this link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdmanflat_Hospital
Tom B
Yes Tom I have this information thank you for your response much appreciated !
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She should show on the censuses in spite of being a resident/patient in hospital/institution. Not sure why she doesn't really.
In some census records the names of patients in hospitals and institutions were not listed in full, but as initials. It might be worth looking for a record of E L (or even L L) in the appropriate institution in 1911.
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She should show on the censuses in spite of being a resident/patient in hospital/institution. Not sure why she doesn't really.
In some census records the names of patients in hospitals and institutions were not listed in full, but as initials. It might be worth looking for a record of E L (or even L L) in the appropriate institution in 1911.
Forfarian I have tried everything to find her on this census to no avail I know she was at Gartloch hospital until 1912 when she was transferred to Haddington hospital so I have all but given up 😕 many thanks for your help!
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Oh well, it was always a long shot.