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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: emjayf on Thursday 30 June 22 21:55 BST (UK)
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Hi all. I was told, a while ago that my relative James Foulds married Elizabeth Bird in Shelford on 7th Sep 1788.
I have tried looking for any hints of their birth, death, who their parents were etc but I cannot see anything off hand? Maybe they were not from Shelford? I don't know if anyone can help?
I have found their children were:
Mary Foulds
1788 - unknown death (or about any family details)
Henry Foulds
1794 - unknown death (or about any family details)
Henry Foulds
1798 - unknown death (or about any family details)
Betty Foulds
1801 - unknown death (or about any family details)
John Fouldes
1803–1885 (this is my branch so I know a bit about his kids and where they went)
Ann Foulds
1805 - unknown death (or about any family details)
I don't know if anything leaps out. I have tried searching familysearch.org but not really helped me there.
Thank you again, fine people *bows deeply*
MJ
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I wonder if this is Mary?
23 September 1842 - Nottingham Review and General Advertiser
aged 54 years, Mary, the beloved wife of Mr. John Kent, bricklayer, Arnold, and eldest daughter of the late Mr. James Foulds, Oxton, many years bailiff to the late William Sherbrooke, Esq.
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Perhaps James’ death?
FOULDS, JAMES 81
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in BASFORD UNION COUNTIES OF NOTTINGHAM DERBY Volume 15 Page 237
Added death notice
Thursday, in the 82nd year of his age, Mr. Wm (must be a misprint) Fouldes, formerly bailiff to the late Wm. Sherbrooke, Esq, Oxton
20 July 1838 - Nottingham Review and General Advertiser
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John Kent after his wife Mary died he married her sister Anne Foulds 1843.
Anne died 1879 age 72.
1841 Front Street
Elizabeth Foulds 40 washerwoman
Ann 15
Charles 11
John Kent 40 Bricklayer
Mary 50
Frederick 13
Elizabeth 9
ADDED
John Kent died 2 December 1884 will proved by his daughter Elizabeth Housley wife of Samuel Housley of Old Basford.
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I wonder if this is Mary?
23 September 1842 - Nottingham Review and General Advertiser
aged 54 years, Mary, the beloved wife of Mr. John Kent, bricklayer, Arnold, and eldest daughter of the late Mr. James Foulds, Oxton, many years bailiff to the late William Sherbrooke, Esq.
Ahh so that was her death notice? That is excellent! I guess that's all it said? Not where she died? Thank you for that!
MJ
PS John Kent was her bricklayer husband but who was "Arnold'? Or was that a place name?
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John Kent after his wife Mary died he married her sister Anne Foulds 1843.
Anne died 1879 age 72.
1841 Front Street
Elizabeth Foulds 40 washerwoman
Ann 15
Charles 11
John Kent 40 Bricklayer
Mary 50
Frederick 13
Elizabeth 9
ADDED
John Kent died 2 December 1884 will proved by his daughter Elizabeth Housley wife of Samuel Housley of Old Basford.
So, at age 42/43, he married his 16/17 year old sister in law after his wife died?! Wow! That's something. A relative once told me it was illegal to marry your sister-in-law back then? Yet I have found two cases of it happening in my relatives!!
Thanks
MJ
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Arnold is a place name
Ann was baptized 1805 so by 1843 she was 37 or 38 years old
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Arnold is a place name
Ann was baptized 1805 so by 1843 she was 37 or 38 years old
Thanks for Arnold info. Also ahhh! Ann and Anne are different people! Okay that doesn't sound as bad now!
Thank you!
MJ
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1841 Front Street
Elizabeth Foulds 40 washerwoman
Ann 15
Charles 11
John Kent 40 Bricklayer
Mary 50
Frederick 13
Elizabeth 9
Sorry just to check but this isn't ALL the one household in Front Street is it? I am trying to find the census list on familysearch.org without luck! Thanks
MJ
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Piece 855
Book 3
Folio 6
Page 5
Somewhere here.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008902205?i=95&cat=607915
Added.. Image 211! Half way down left hand page
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Thanks! Wow that is a super dark image! Not overly clear where one house starts and the other ends but it seems to suggest Elizabeth Foulds is the head (maybe widowed?) with her children Ann Foulds and Charles Foulds and with them is John Kent married to Mary Kent with their children Frederick and Elizabeth Kent - doesn't state their relation to the older Elizabeth.
It becomes more confusing the more you find out! Haha!
Cheers
MJ
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Burial Arnold, St Mary. 25 Sept 1842 Mary Kent aged 54 abode Arnold. From NFHS.
Marriage Nottingham, St Paul 3 Aug 1843 John Kent and Ann Foulds
No marriage for a John Kent to a Mary Foulds but...there is one for a Robert Weightman Steemson 8 June 1807 at Oxton, St Peter. to Mary Foulds. Burial Oxton 22 Jan 1818 Robert WIGHTMAN Steemson aged 29 abode Beeston.
Marriage Arnold, St Mary 21 Feb 1825 John Kent and Mary STEMSON
Baptism Beeston, 16 Mar 1817 Thomas son of Robert & Mary STEEMSON father a miller.
Marriage 7 Sep 1788 James Foulds and Elizabeth Bird at Shelford.
Baptisms Oxton
29 Nov 1798 Henry
25 Jan 1801 Betty
14 Mar 1803 John
20 Oct 1805 Ann
The abode is Oxton, no fathers occupation listed.
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Burial Arnold, St Mary. 25 Sept 1842 Mary Kent aged 54 abode Arnold. From NFHS.
Marriage Nottingham, St Paul 3 Aug 1843 John Kent and Ann Foulds
No marriage for a John Kent to a Mary Foulds but...there is one for a Robert Weightman Steemson 8 June 1807 at Oxton, St Peter. to Mary Foulds. Burial Oxton 22 Jan 1818 Robert WIGHTMAN Steemson aged 29 abode Beeston.
Marriage Arnold, St Mary 21 Feb 1825 John Kent and Mary STEMSON
Baptism Beeston, 16 Mar 1817 Thomas son of Robert & Mary STEEMSON father a miller.
Marriage 7 Sep 1788 James Foulds and Elizabeth Bird at Shelford.
Baptisms Oxton
29 Nov 1798 Henry
25 Jan 1801 Betty
14 Mar 1803 John
20 Oct 1805 Ann
The abode is Oxton, no fathers occupation listed.
Thank you! Well that is why it was perplexing! Mary was married before she got married to John Kent!
That makes some kind of sense.... I think!! Haha!
Just noticed the 1921 censuses are out now and sad to read that it's the last census that exists for a few decades! Hope they will reveal some new secrets! Probably not but be interesting to see them!
Take care and thanks again
MJ
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Hi all. I was told, a while ago that my relative James Foulds married Elizabeth Bird in Shelford on 7th Sep 1788.
Hello all, been a while but I am back with just a quickie question. So, even though I KNOW the above details (thanks to a lovely person on here) I cannot find this record on familysearch.org even when I search using all the details I know! I wanted to link my source to a actual record AND check if there were any parents mentioned on said record?
If anyone can spot it and send me the link that would be amazing. That site is very useful but sometimes searches can be frustratingly hard!
Thanks to all
MJ
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still not the image of the actual pr. but helpful I hope.
https://archive.org/details/nottinghamshire03philgoog/page/n148/mode/2up?view=theater
here is the FamilySearch link. But you have to go to a FS library to view
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/3580086?availability=Family%20History%20Library
They will be very unlikely to have any more information than that in the indexes. It was unusual to give more detail than the name of the parties being married.
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Thank you. Oh that is a shame. I did hope the original document might show more. It's before the marriage certificates as well, so not a chance to find out more I guess. Also shame FS doesn't have something to link to but I can always leave a note saying where it is from.
Thanks again
MJ
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Another child bapt Oxton to James/Betty;
HUMPHREY 14 Oct 1808
(FreeREG)
If James married Elizabeth Bird 1788 there should be more children born 1789-1797 ish.
Burials;
08 Mar 1818 Oxton, ELIZABETH Foulds age 53, abode Oxton
(c 1765)
(FreeREG)
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Another child bapt Oxton to James/Betty;
HUMPHREY 14 Oct 1808
(FreeREG)
If James married Elizabeth Bird 1788 there should be more children born 1789-1797 ish.
Burials;
08 Mar 1818 Oxton, ELIZABETH Foulds age 53, abode Oxton
(c 1765)
(FreeREG)
I think I need to see if there is a forum at Family Search as, even though I put in all those details for Betty and the baptism, I cannot find that record!
Thank you for posting here, I can but add those details in and hope I find the link eventually!
Thanks again!
MJ
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I'm late to this thread, but I may have found some more children:
1788 12 21 Shelford - Mary, d of James and Elizabeth Foulds
1792 03 15 Lambley - Sarah, d of James and Betty FOULDS
1794 02 09 Lambley - Thos., son of James and Betty Foulds
1796 10 23 Lambley - James, son of James and Betty FOULDS
then the Oxton baptisms start in 1798,with Henry's baptism, details of the rest all as already provided upthread.
Humphrey died as a baby: burial in Oxton, 1808 10 20 Humphrey FOULDS Inf Oxton
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This is probably the death notice of James b 1796:
Nottinghamshire Guardian 19 December 1862
At Oxton, on the 5th inst, age 66, Mr James Foulds, farm servant
Betty's death?
1862 12 29 Betty FOULDS 61 Arnold ARNOLD St Mary
Maybe Thomas's burial - but no age given so there's no way to be sure
1801 01 24 Thomas FOLDS [NG] Shelford SHELFORD St Peter and St Paul
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Perhaps James’ death?
FOULDS, JAMES 81
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in BASFORD UNION COUNTIES OF NOTTINGHAM DERBY Volume 15 Page 237
Added death notice
Thursday, in the 82nd year of his age, Mr. Wm (must be a misprint) Fouldes, formerly bailiff to the late Wm. Sherbrooke, Esq, Oxton
20 July 1838 - Nottingham Review and General Advertiser
The only baptism that might fit is this one, and it's a fair distance from the other areas mentioned so far:
1755 12 20 James son of Samuel and Ruth FOULDS TEVERSAL St Katherine
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I'm late to this thread, but I may have found some more children:
1788 12 21 Shelford - Mary, d of James and Elizabeth Foulds
1792 03 15 Lambley - Sarah, d of James and Betty FOULDS
1794 02 09 Lambley - Thos., son of James and Betty Foulds
1796 10 23 Lambley - James, son of James and Betty FOULDS
then the Oxton baptisms start in 1798,with Henry's baptism, details of the rest all as already provided upthread.
Humphrey died as a baby: burial in Oxton, 1808 10 20 Humphrey FOULDS Inf Oxton
Gosh thank you for all that (including the following two messages)!! Supremely kind of you!! I will look through these and add them to my family tree! So wonderful to have people on here who know what they are doing!!
Thanks again!
MJ
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I'm late to this thread, but I may have found some more children:
1788 12 21 Shelford - Mary, d of James and Elizabeth Foulds
That one was interesting as I have on my notes that James Fouldes and Elizabeth Bird married in Shelford on 7th September 1788. So if Mary was born 3 and a half months later it shows that they didn't wait for marriage to explore all the possibilities!!
Very interesting!
MJ
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I'm late to this thread, but I may have found some more children:
1788 12 21 Shelford - Mary, d of James and Elizabeth Foulds
1792 03 15 Lambley - Sarah, d of James and Betty FOULDS
1794 02 09 Lambley - Thos., son of James and Betty Foulds
1796 10 23 Lambley - James, son of James and Betty FOULDS
then the Oxton baptisms start in 1798,with Henry's baptism, details of the rest all as already provided upthread.
Humphrey died as a baby: burial in Oxton, 1808 10 20 Humphrey FOULDS Inf Oxton
Sorry I am responding all over the place here but this is what I had so far for their children - see screenshot. For some reason there were two Henry's which I can't think is right. Unless they lost one Henry and were so distraught that they wanted the name to live on? Or I have gotten this all incorrect and I am happy to change it! I will happily add the additional data you have provided!
Cheers
MJ
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I got my info from the NFHS CD and I didn't see the first Henry listed. However it's not unusual at all for families to use a name for more than one child, if an older child with that name had died.