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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: asley1 on Thursday 23 June 22 19:22 BST (UK)
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Evening, on reading my grandfather death certificate it said
At the time of his death his sister in law was present
Haven't been able to find her to date
Margret Jane Sivier
Little Hungerford
Not sure her surname is spelt correctly
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What was the year of his death
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Hello
The 19/4/1925
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Wife of Francis (Frank) Thomas Stephen Sivier. Nee Margaret Jane Smith. Married in Newbury in 1914.
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Thank you so the spelling was right
Wondering where she comes in my tree
It's hard trying to find out as mum won't talk about her family
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You don't give any details of your grandfathers name or place he died so we can't determine any link
Births December qtr 1891
Frank Thomas Stephen Sivier Andover 2c 207 mothers maiden name NORTH
Marriages December qtr 1890
North Emily Whitchurch, Hampshire 2c 487
SIVIER Thomas
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Sorry for missing details
John Scriverner
I believe the family were from Wantage
I've lost all of my PC records when my computer went down
Only have paper notes, so retracing my steps
He died in LIttle Hungerford aged 48
19/4/25
Married in 1912 to a Mary G Smith
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Mary G Smith could have been the sister of Margaret Jane Smith.
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Margaret Jane Sivier was born 7.6.1892 and died 1983 Berkshire
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Marriages March qtr 1878
Quelch Mary Jane Wantage 2c 461
SMITH Richard
SMITH, MARGARET JANE Mother's Maiden Surname QUELCH
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 289
SMITH, GERTRUDE MARY QUELCH
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 310
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Thank you that is so interesting, I've never known my great grandmother maiden name.
Or anything about them. Mum didn't ever talk about her family.on one occasion she said she was 10 when her father died . I never meet my grandmother but did see her sisters and one brother
And some family but can't remember them really
Thank you so much.. I shell enjoy my Sunday outing to Yattenton where I believe some of my relatives are buried.
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Is any occupation shown on the 1925 death cert?
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It looks like he was a brickmaker / Joineryman
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I don’t think John Scrivener was born in Berkshire. A tree on Ancestry has him born Stepney Middlesex but they have him as John J so I’m not convinced.
The 1911 has a John J Scrivener b Stepney but he was a merchants clerk living with relatives in Middlsex
There is an 1881 entry for a John Scrivener b Reading 1875 - parents Philip & Mary But his birth reg shows him as John Edward
It would be an idea to look him up on the 1921 census to determine his birthplace
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Thank you so much for the wonderful help
I've found a note saying he was born in Wantage berks
Will look on the census when I return home next week
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He was 48 when he died in 1925 so born approx 1877.
He married & lived in Wantage but the only birth reg in Berks is the mentioned above - John Edward b 1874 Reading. If he was b Wantage - his birth registration would have been in the Wantage reg district
He was 35 when he married - I wonder if he was previously married?
In 1911 Gertrude Smith aged 27 is with parents Richard & Jane - her birthplace is shown as Hampstead Norris Berks
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Just found him in 1911
John Scrivener 36 single occ brick maker b London - in lodgings in Hampstead Norris. So he is not the John J Scrivener b Stepney as shown on that family tree as that John was in London in 1911
You may need to buy a copy of the 1912 marriage cert to find his fathers name. If the 1921 census gives a more specific birthplace than just London - that may help to find him on earlier censuses
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Sorry no help from 1921
Hampstead Norris
John Scrivens 1874 no birthplace given on index
Gertrude M 1884
Elsie P 1912
Gladys I 1913
Ivy A 1915
Albert J 1920
all others born Hermitage, Berkshire
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Interesting he is Scrivens in 1921.
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Good morning
Just been into my certificate found I've got their marriage one
Dated 19/10/1912
He was 33 Mary 28
Methodist chapel Berkshire
The lived in little Hungerford
Hampton Norris Berks
His father was John Deceased
Your help has been wonderful
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Does the marriage cert show any occupation for his father - even though he was deceased
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John’s birthyear varies
1911 - 1875
1912 - 1879
1921 - 1874
1925 - 1877
The only possible match with a London birthplace is the 1881 entry - born 1874 Islington - parents John & Eliza. John was a slater b Luton Bedfordshire
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Hi
On the certificate it says
Father General Labourer
The witnesses were
Albert Smith and Margret Smith
Once again thank you
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My reply 21
The John Scrivener b Luton Beds was still alive in 1912 - he only died 1926 & his occupation throughout the censuses is Tiler. Not the right family!!
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Afternoon
John senior was pass away John ( my grandfather). Was alive
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I'm glad to hear your grandfather was still alive in 1912 - that's when he married 😂😂 You said his marriage cert showed his father was deceased.
See my replies 21 & 23 - the point I was making is that the John Scrivener b Luton I thought may be his father was still alive in 1912 so not the right Scrivener family
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Sorry miss read
Went to see if I could find their graves yesterday, two church's three graveyards but no luck
There's two more we will have a look in next time that way. It's about 40 ish miles from us
Might try to find the history group in the area maybe they would have a list of graves. Never don't anything like this.
Oh one bit of luck spoke to a lady who was at one church, believes one of my cousins may still be in the area but didn't no their address