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Title: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 21 June 22 02:31 BST (UK)
Mentioned in the convict record of his sister Margaret McDonnell, who was tried at Drodhega, Ireland and was transported on the "Arabian" in 1847 to Van Diemen's land. I am presuming that he was there also, since VDL records know about him in 1847.

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON41-1-12$init=CON41-1-12p98 Margaret McDonnell

I am having trouble finding anything on Patrick McDonnell in Tasmania.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Rodney53

Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 21 June 22 06:46 BST (UK)
Going by her convict record brother Patrick arrived 1844 but i can't read the rest properly to know exactly what else it says about him.
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: TreeSpirit on Tuesday 21 June 22 07:32 BST (UK)

Possibilty?

Surname: MC DONNELL; First name: PATRICK;
Sex: M; Place of trial: Dublin; Place of imprisonment: Richmond Bridewell; Date of trial:
14/02/1844; Description of crime: Receiving stolen goods; Sentence: Trans 7 years; Name
of petitioner: Mary Mc Donnell and Self; Relationship of petitioner: Wife;
Record reference code: CRF 1844 Mc 8;
Comments: Prisoner was convicted of selling copper and lead which had been stolen from
Mr Thomas Hunt in Love Lane, off Cork St, Dublin. Sentence commuted to one year
imprisonment
. Petitioners residence given as 17 Cork St. Occupation given as dealer in
rags and bones
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 21 June 22 08:23 BST (UK)
Or possibly Patrick O'Donnell:

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON33-1-55$init=CON33-1-55p27
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 21 June 22 09:25 BST (UK)
giblet: I can't read the writing much more than that  her brother Patrick was transported as well. That's really all I know about him. Parents Jeremiah McDonnell and Bridget Neehan, both Irish. Thanks for your help.

Tree Spirit: this one is a definite possibility, but does the Sentence commuted to one year imprisonment refer to after being transported? Thanks.

ShaunJ: is also possible. I'm struggling to read the writing. Will print it off and try a magnifying glass ... see how I go. Thanks.
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 21 June 22 10:48 BST (UK)
I think the last bit is about her:

18 mos (months) on the Town (a prostitute). Single
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 21 June 22 10:58 BST (UK)


"Parents Jeremiah McDonnell and Bridget Neehan"

Where are you seeing this information?.
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 21 June 22 11:33 BST (UK)


CON15-1-4 Image 70
Police number 731  McDONNALL Margt  24y  country servant tried Drogheda  1 July '46
sentence 7 years  Native Place Drogheda....single...Roman Catholic...Read/write   N(either)
Relations    *  Harry.....B(rother) Patrick.....S(ister) Judith....at Native Place
B Patrick brought in 1844 to this colony
Stealing money from John ****Y at native place (Ann MORGAN on board for same)
18 mts on the town.

Police number 732  MORGAN Ann  21y  nursemaid/needlewoman tried Drogheda  1 July '46
sentence 7 years  Native Place Dublin singe...CofE....read.....
M(other)  Margaret   B(rother) Dermott   S(ister)  Mary Catherine    all at native place
(ditto) Stealing money from John ****Y at native place
9 mts on the town

In CON41 and CON15 brother is named as Patrick only, no family name. Brother Patrick might have a different family name eg widowed mother has two marriages, two families?


Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: TreeSpirit on Tuesday 21 June 22 11:39 BST (UK)
Tree Spirit: this one is a definite possibility, but does the Sentence commuted to one year imprisonment refer to after being transported? Thanks.

His (14 page) file starts here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89L4-6Q3Y?i=702
FYI he was 35y in 1844: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99L4-H6C?i=237
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 21 June 22 11:47 BST (UK)
wivenhoe: my apology: statement should have read ...."Parents may possibly be Jeremiah McDonnell and Bridget Neehan", based on perusal of other family trees which may well be connected.
Not a certainty by any means. Best guess.

It hadn't occurred to me that the "brother" reference may not be taken 100% literally. Very sensible observation. That changes things considerably ,and rightly so.

Many thanks.

Rodney53
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 21 June 22 12:01 BST (UK)
ShaunJ:
Thanks for that clip and clarification.
Very informative.
Rodney53
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 21 June 22 12:53 BST (UK)


What happened to Margaret McDonnell after her arrival in Tasmania?.....marriage?....children?....death?
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 21 June 22 13:10 BST (UK)
She married William Cornelius Quinlan. They lived in the Launceston area. Marriage details are sketchy. No reliable death record.

Large family: most died young. Adults moved to Melb.
Mary Bridget, born 1856 (my 2x g.grandmother). Moved to Melb.
Honora, born 1857
Cornelius, 1858-63
Jeremiah,  1859-69
Dennis 1862-62
Margaret 1863 -1915 Moved to Melb.
William Cornelius 1865-1935 Moved to Melb.
John James born 1858. Looks to have moved to Melb.

An enigmatic family, to say the least.

Rodney53
Title: Re: Patrick McDonnell, convict, probably Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 21 June 22 13:31 BST (UK)
Use........ Linc Name Search.......
search term...Patrick McDANIEL....finds

CON33-1-58 Image 104

13733 Patrick McDANIEL....tried Drogheda 7 July 1843 arr. 24 Aug 1844
Roman Catholic...can read....convicted of vagrancy.....native place Drogheda.

"Catherine and Ann RILEY transported with me came in the East London"

Seven years for vagrancy seems rather extreme, so maybe earlier convictions?

CON14-1-23 Image 135 and 136   (something happening here about his name)
has 2 sisters Margaret and Judy at Native Place.

This looks interesting. McDANIEL is not so far fron McDONNELL etc for people with limited literacy.
And who are Catherine and Ann RILEY, and why are they mentioned with Patrick's record?