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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: iris moore guilbert on Monday 05 September 05 04:04 BST (UK)
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;D ??? Alfred Guilbert Married Irish worker Mary Madden. Immigrated to New Zealand.
Alfred sister = Harriet Guilbert Married a Capt. Phillip Manual and I believe moved to Australia.
Can anyone be of any help here. Thanks cheers Iris ???
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Hmmm, when ?
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To Mark 2 Zephyr
Hey I remember growing up with Mk 2's ;D
Now back to family. John and Mary Arrived in NZ 1862 , they had 5 childern Louise, Harriet and William, Alfred and Jack . William Louise died from Rheumatic feaver, Harriet married Charles ReaderAlfred married 2 daughters and one adopted daughter Jack not married William married Lizzie Smith They had nine childern and that is where I came into this as the grand daughter Hope you can be of some help Iris New Zealand
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Hi Iris,
I can search the Channel Island census 1861 for you, but can you be more specific about names and ages at all? In your first post, you mentioned Alfred, but in the second John ???
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So who are you actually looking for ?
New Zealand cousins ? Aussie ?
If are looking for overseas relations then you should post in the appropiate slots.
as well as John and Alfred mix as father, you have Harriet marrying Charles Reader and capt Phillip Manual ?
And why does Mr Reader ring a bell ? ???
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Hello and thank you I was getting a bit tired up before but now think I have it sorted.
In the 1841 Census I have found Film 0464352 Piece H.O. 107 1460 District One
Peter Guilbert 45 Journeyman Y
Mary 40y Louise 10y Harrieta 8 y Charlotte 4 y
Alfred 6 y John 1y
I would like to see how these appear in the next census I have a letter from an Amy written in 1896 Alfred had died and Harriet was still alive. IN a letter no dated Aunt Charlotte died Christmas day possibly married to a Peter ????
Have the feeling this John is my Great Grand father, who married the servant Mary Madden and came to New Zealand in 1862 .They had 5 childern one being my Grand father ;D. I am sure I have this correct now. I believe there name was spelt Gilbert on the marriage ceriticate but the registered childern as Guilbert. I do not know where they were married but the childern were all born in NZ I think. I am stil looking into this in NZ any way any help with be a great help so Thankyou Iris
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Hi Iris
The 1851 census is as follows:-
HO107/2531 Fol 418 Page 3
Bigard, Parisho of the Forest, Guernsey
Peter Guilbert Head 55 occ: Farm Labourer
Mary Guilbert Wife 54
Margaret Guilbert Daughter 27 single Occ: Milliner
Edward Guilbert Son 22 single Occ: Sailor
Alfred Guilbert son 16 single born: Occ: Scholar
Charlotte guilbert daughter 14 Occ: scholar
John Guilbert son 12 Occ: Scholar
Eliza Keays Guilbert Granddaughter 1
All were born Forest. The address is the same as 1841.
Genni
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;D :)Thank you thank you Gennig
Only one problems with ages in 1841 census Mary was 40 y , she is now 54 yrs old. I don't know who the Margaret 27 yr and is that her daughter Eliza Keays . Can you help to find out where Margaret was in the 1841 census. I am trying to follow the line of John's Life . How can I find out how and when for sure he immgrated to NZ I only have it from a Aunt that they came to nz in 1862.
Can I checK on the 1861 census. But once again thankyou Iris
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Iris
I believe the 1841 census adults ages were rounded down to the nearest 5. Only children under the age of 15 were aged correctly.
I cannot find John on the 1861 census.
I found the following on the 1871 census, which I believe could be Aunt Charlotte.
RG10/5769 Fol: 78 Page: 6
Military road forest guernsey
Peter BREHAUT Head 39 St Peter in the Wood Blacksmith
Charlotte BREHAUT wife 31 Forest
Melvina BREHAUT daughter 2 Forest
Peter GUILBERT Father in Law 79 Widow Forest Farmer
Try the following link, regarding NZ sites.
http://www.coraweb.com.au/nzsites.htm
Cheers
Genni
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Genni Thank you for your help I am afraid that I have to be away for work for the next 3 weeks. So I will have a delay in following all these up
One other lead I have is for Johns sister Harriet she married a Captian Phillip Mannuel and moved to Port Adelade South Australia I do have a letter I beleive to be written by her from Queenstown, don't know if there is a place called that in Aust. But that will be my next line of inquirey when I have finished with this side of the family. I am really enjoying this, So once again thankyou for your help Iris
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To start, suggest you google "william le lacheur" - his oldest sister Marie 8 Jan 1797 - 14/8/1870 (Paralysis) (dau of Jean 30 Sep 1774 - 22 Dec 1840 m 9 Jan 1797 Marie Sarah ALLEZ 1 Feb 1775 - Jan 1822) m 3 May 1818 Pierre GUILBERT 13 Apr 1794 - 9 Dec 1874 and their children were Marie 23 Sep 1818 - 28 Aug 1821 (Fever) Pierre 4 Feb 1821 Margueritte 28 Jun 1823 m 21 Oct 1855 Edouard 7 Jan 1828 - 5 Oct 1870 (Tuberculosis) Loise 8 Jun 1830 - 15 Sep 1908 (Syncope) Henriette 17 Jan 1833 - 14 Mar 1907 (Nephritis) Alfred 30 Apr 1835 m 1 Sep 1863 Charlotte Allez 17 Jan 1838 m 22 Dec 1865 Jean 11 Jan 1840 (who being the youngest would not have inherited); and Louisa and Harriet were live in servants hence not included with their family in the 1851 census.
Eliza Keys 1850 - 16 Jun 1851 was the "enfant naturelle" of Margaret.
Peter BREHAUT and Charlotte also had a son Walter Peter b 15 Oct 1871.
Alfred and Caroline GALLIENNE had 6 children, the youngest Amy Louisa b 23 Feb 1873.
Margaret migrated to South Aust on the Emigrant leaving Southampton 7 Jul 1854 and arriving Pt Adelaide 17 Oct and Louisa and Harriet left Sou 17 Jun 1854 on the Pestonjee Bomanjee arriving Pt Adelaide 8 Oct.
Margaret m Henry Samuel GOODRICK (38) Pt Adelaide witnessed by Harriet GILBERT. No other record of any GOODRICK can be found anywhere in Aust excepta Thesia Emelia fa Henry and mo Margaret Ann (UNKNOWN) d 1857 (1) in Tasmania; check if went to NZ to join other relatives.
I can find no record in SA of Harriet m Philip Frederick MANUEL d 16 Aug 1905 (71) Queenstown or b of their son Phillip d 4 Aug 1856 (8M Effusion of the Brain) but they had 7 more children in the Pt Adelaide area before she also d Queenstown, and adjacent suburb.
I can also find no record of gg mo Louisa's m Robert BROWN d 26 Jul 1893 (72) or b of some of their children but her Dth Cert says she had 6 children. Any info re the family, including Robert BROWN would be greatly appreciated.
This is a "brief" thambnail outline of the GUILBERT &c family.
Presumably the entry dated 22 Apr 06 is the latest on this Subject ?
I would dearly love to have a copy of any "old" letters and correspondence and anything else corresponding to the era and persons eg, in particular that from Amy.
Thank you for your attention.
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Thank you, Sorry I have not been on line, but work has kepted me far too busy, I will do my best to follow thru next year,
So everyone have a Merry Christmas and a Safe and Happy New Year . Cheers Iris :D ;D :-*
Thank you again for your help . if you are ever in Nz please let me know .
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In the interests of good housekeeping, I’ve moved this post to completed.
Assistance has been provided …….
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Just found this post involving Margaret Gilbert who married Henry Samuel Goodrick at St. Paul's Port Adelaide in South Australia on 21 October 1855. He described himself as a bachelor but in fact he was a widower with three surviving children still in King's Lynn in a workhouse after his wife Elizabeth died in 1847 of consumption along with three of their other children, and he was sentenced to transportation for stealing coal in 1850, arriving on the Pyrenees in Perth Western Australia as a Ticket of Leave man in 1953, thence to South Australia as an Expiree. Margaret died two months after the marriage aged 31 and was buried 14th December 1855 at the Alberton Cemetery Port Adelaide. Cause of death not noted in the burial records, and there is no record of the death in the Registry, although it is noted in The Biographical Index of South Australians 1836 to 1855. Henry Samuel Goodrick remarried in Victoria in 1858 to Maria Catherine Hald but had changed his surname to Gathergood by then and all his descendants after that were Gathergoods. The Thesia Goodrick had a mother whose surname was not Gilbert. The cemetery records have no mention of a child or any other Goodricks. Hope this gets to you. Regards, Kathy Schneider, descendant of Henry Samuel Gathergood (Goodrick).