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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: haney on Sunday 19 June 22 00:42 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
I am still looking for any possible births from 1806 (Plymouth??) to anywhere up to the mid 1820's for children of WILLIAM BYRNE (Royal Marines) and CATHERINE DINAN (DINEEN?).
This couple were married at St. Andrews in Plymouth in 1806 so hoping that some children may turn up.
William left the Marines in 1822 after 24 years service and they appear on the 1841? and 1851 Census in Woolwich Kent. William was a Publican by then. Would love to fill in the gap between 1822 and 1841 if possible. Kindest regards Dianna
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1841 he is "P" for pensioner. - Mary Carver is the Publican
1851 Pensioner Royal Marines (back of the Carpenter's Arms High Street) Elizabeth Beton/Beten is the Publican
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FinMyPast has early Plymouth parish registers but you may want to look further afield. I have a Marine (just a bit later than this) born in Plymouth and joined the Marines there, married in Chatham in 1830, and has children born in Chatham, Woolwich, Canada and Barbados. You may find this link helpful
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-armed-forces/
FindMyPast also has the GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)
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Did any of his records at National Archives include Wages Allotments? With the address of his wife receiving them, (hopefully).
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South Eastern Gazette 23 October 1832
John James and James Bailey were sentanced to imprisonment for 4 months in the House of Correction, for having stolen shawl, a gown piece, and two pieces calico, the property of William Byrne, at Woolwich.
Kay
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Hi thanks everyone
I have not seen anything to do with Wages Allotments! I guess I will have to ask about that! I only have his attestation papers from 1797 to 1822.
William joined up in Dublin! Don't know if that is of any help really. I don't have a subscription now for find my past, would ancestry have the same records??
Thanks for the extra information on the census re Mary Carver as the publican I had not seen that nor the reference to Elizabeth Beton/Beten.
William had the "Hampshire Hogg" from about 1823 onwards. Thanks for the tips. I thought I maybe able to find something on the Old Parish records (or was it bishops transcripts for the really early baptisms)that were once available.
If there had of been any children may all of well been gone from home by the census's. Thanks to everyone. Kind regards Dianna
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HI Kay wow just saw your post re the South Eastern Gazette 1832. Wonder if that is Uncle William. These are the snips I always hope to find, just in case. Will be interesting to see if more is mentioned in the newspaper. Thanks so much. Regards Dianna
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Hi Everyone
This was just sent to me also re William Byrne.
"Looks like William Byrne was a shop keeper. A John Wilton was sentenced to 3 months (reported SEG on 5 July 1831) for stealing a waistcoat from him worth 1s-6d."
There were no more details for this though as to where William was located etc. I will follow up at the Kent Archives and Kew also. Thanks for your time and input. Much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna
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Could I just point out that pre-1837 and the start of Civil Registration, births were seldom recorded. ;)
What you do have, however is baptisms.
While the majority of baptisms were within days or weeks, some religious denominations didn't baptise infants, only adults.
My own daughters (now 44) have never been baptised. :D
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Hi Everyone
This was just sent to me also re William Byrne.
"Looks like William Byrne was a shop keeper. A John Wilton was sentenced to 3 months (reported SEG on 5 July 1831) for stealing a waistcoat from him worth 1s-6d."
There were no more details for this though as to where William was located etc. I will follow up at the Kent Archives and Kew also. Thanks for your time and input. Much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna
If it might have been a shop, is there any chance of Directories for that time? :-\
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I did find this on Anc :-\
Name: William Byrne
Initiation Date: 9 Mar 1823
First Payment Year on Register: 1823
Year range: 1813-1836
Profession: Victualler
Lodge: Royal Marine Lodge, Woolwich
Lodge Number: 418
Folio Number: 277
Kay
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HI Kay99
This is great! Royal Marine Lodge? Wonder what that is about. Did you find this on Ancestry UK?? I have never seen this before! I guess this is him paying for his publican's license perhaps. Great something else for his timeline. Regards Dianna
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Hi Dianna
The record is from Anc UK https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1461564:60620?tid=&pid=& Other members of the Freemasons Lodge include Sergeants in Royal Marines, other Victuallers, Shopkeepers etc. I wonder if the name of the Lodge relates to the Barracks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Marine_Barracks,_Woolwich
Kay
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HI Kay thanks for that. The link you kindly sent does not work for me as I do not have a subscription for the UK ancestry. I will work around it I guess.
The wikipedia link is fine though and I can read about the Royal Marine Barracks.
Just getting back to your reply #10 how did you find that please. What was the heading (or other) in the catalogue/s or did you just type in William BYRNE. I will make some enquiries as possible repositories in the UK (and perhaps here) that may be able to help as there may be more to discover.
Also with the Allotments they seem to be on family search and I will dig around there today. Thanks for your time and help regards Dianna
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Hi Dianna
Searched for William Byrne living in Woolwich, Kent - then refined the search by selecting the Filter of Directories and Members Lists
Good luck Kay
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HI Kay thanks for that. The search continues. Now looking at Freemasons records. All the best Dianna