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Title: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Sunday 04 September 05 23:47 BST (UK)

Hi

In 1881 the following family were living in Wells Next the Sea, Walsingham District

George Burnet Stallworthy, head b. 1845 Samoa (Independent minister)
Alice, wife, b. 1846 Leeds
George H, son b. 1876 Wells
Alice Mary, daughter b. 1879 Wells
William W, son b. 1880 Wells
Rebecca, sister b. 1852 Samoa (Governess)

By 1901 Rev George B Stallworthy and family had moved to Haslemere, Surrey.

I am trying to establish when they moved, so am curious to know if they appear in Norfolk in 1891, and if there were any additions to the family.

Many thanks
Koromo




Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: MaryA on Sunday 04 September 05 23:59 BST (UK)
Longdene Road, Thursley, Haslemere, Hambledon, Guildford, Surrey
George B Stallworthy Head M 46 Congregational Minister Samoa (British Subject) As On C
Alice Wife M 45 Yorkshire Leeds
George H Son 14 Scholar Norfolk Wells
Alice M daur 12 " " "
William W Son 10 " " "
Ellen Longhurst Servant S 27 General Servant domestic Surrey Milford

RG12/571 Hambledon Witley Folio 121 Page 20

Sorry I don't know what the "As on C" means, it was just written on the end.

Mary
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Monday 05 September 05 09:41 BST (UK)

Ah, so the sister Rebecca has disappeared in the move - she doesn't seem to exist (or die!) after 1881.

Thanks for that, Mary. I shall mull on the "As On C".  :)

Cheers
K.


Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: manaia on Monday 04 September 06 08:01 BST (UK)
Hello:

Rebecca Darling STALLWORTHY - is she George Burnet STALLWORTHY's half-sister?

Rebecca's parents: George STALLWORTHY & Mary Ann DARLING.
George's parents: George STALLWORTHY & Charlotte Burnett WILSON.

I've been following STALLWORTHY threads with RootsChat and Rootsweb Samoa board with great interest.

I'd like to make it an adventure to find "Eunite" of Faleali'i, Upolu, Samoa, George's ten-year Samoan nurse/nanny.

I think I can also help with Rebecca's whereabouts after 1881 census.

Manuia/Reagrds,
--Manaia



Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Monday 04 September 06 08:45 BST (UK)

Kia ora, Manaia!  :)

I have just this minute received a notification that a message had been posted to the RootsWeb Samoa message board, but when I went to check, it had been deleted!! :D

Yes, Rebecca is George Burnett's half-sister.  Since my initial post here, I've discovered that she was a teacher for a time, and worked as a governess to the children of a Mr Dudley, a brewer in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire - she apparently also stayed on for some years to nurse his wife who was "insane", and continued as a housekeeper after her death.   Rebecca died as a spinster in Surrey, 1922. Do you have other information about her?

My gr-grandfather was one of Rebecca's younger brothers, John Stallworthy (1854-1923).

It would be wonderful to find Eunité as she must have been the most important person in George Burnett's upbringing - his father was so often away for extended periods, although his Wilson grandparents were there in Fale'alili too.

I'm so glad you found me!!

Best regards
Koromo
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: manaia on Wednesday 06 September 06 19:51 BST (UK)
Talofa/Hello Koromo:

Sorry - but, yes, I'd deleted the post when I'd realized this is a much better medium to communicate with you -  ;D.

Now the Samoan pronunciation for "Eunite":
Samoan = ooh-Nee-tee.

Now lets drop the "e" and it becomes "Unite" - pronunciation:
Samoan = ooh-Nee-tee.

Same word in English "unite" is:
English = yoo-Nayht.

Found two listings per familysearch.org for Eunite (no surname). One b.1861 and the other b.1883. If data is correct then that eliminates both. George STALLWORTHY b.1845.

Found listing for "Unite" per familysearch.org with marriage and a child. She is b.1820 and m.1840. Do you know if your "Eunite" ever married? Had any children which she may have cared for along with George? Do you know the age difference between "Eunite" and George?

It wasn't unheard of on the Islands for a ten-year old caring for a babe; it was quite natural in Polynesian cultures. Whereas in the South Pacific it was culturally a "natural setting". Here in America it is frowned upon and whereas we get the saying "babies watching babies".

It is possible that "Eunite" was born on one island and married on another island. Now if "Eunite" came from Savai'i, married, and her husband dwelled from Upolu that would explain nothing really. Did she marry on which island? Did they stay with her family or his family after getting married? But on which island did she predominantly stay?

Was "Eunite" already part of the STALLWORTHY/WILSON/DARLING Family? Was "Eunite" just a surrogate mother to George? Did she survive after the ten years of caring for George?

Just some thoughts to mull over and I will get back to you re Rebecca STALLWORTHY.

Are you bychance on any Denmark messageboards? Or maybe norweigian? Your name is unique. It looks Japanese or ???

Manuia/Regards,
--Manaia




Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: manaia on Wednesday 06 September 06 20:25 BST (UK)
Koromo:

"Caroline de la ROSA (parents: Jemima DARLING & Juan de la ROSA) and William BEDDOES..." Jemima is Mary Ann DARLING's sister and Mary Ann is George STALLWORTHY's second wife.

I was or have been researching BEDDOES and that is how I happened upon your STALLWORTHY journey.

I am fascinated with strange names and Cigarette BEDDOES born of Samoa is very unique for me. No, I'm of no relation but a descendant of a BEDDOES has contacted me and wants to know of Cigarette's whereabouts also.

Can you share any info re BEDDOES?

Regards,
--Manaia


Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Thursday 07 September 06 07:13 BST (UK)

Greetings, Manaia

I'm afraid I know nothing more about Eunité, just that she was George Burnett Stallworthy's nurse for the first ten years of his life.

His father, Rev George the missionary, left England in 1833 arriving at Tahiti in 1834. He was originally appointed to the Marquesas Islands and lived there for 7 years until that LMS mission was abandoned in 1841 - for three of those years he had struggled on alone amongst the very cannibalistic inhabitants.  He went back to Tahiti for a short period before being appointed to Fale'alili in 1842.

George married Charlotte Wilson in February 1844, and George Burnett Stallworthy was born 30 Dec 1844 which is presumably when Eunité's services were first required. (Charlotte died of consumption/TB in August 1845.)

Rev George married Mary Ann Darling in October 1847 at the LMS chapel in Apia. They went on to have nine children - eight born at Fale'alili (one died as an infant), the last one was born at Malua.

At the age of 10, George Burnett was sent to England for his schooling in December 1854. By then he had five half-siblings, so I would imagine that Eunité was still being kept busy.

In January 1859, the Stallworthy family moved across the island to Malua where Rev George became the principal of the Theological College, standing in for Rev Turner who was on leave. I have no idea if Eunité went with them or stayed in Fale'alili.

Rev George died 7 November 1859 at Malua. Mary Ann and the children left Samoa on the missionary ship John Williams in January 1860 to go to England.

Rev David Darling (and his daughter Eliza) had left Tahiti in 1859 and gone to live at Parramatta, Sydney. He died there in 1867. Eliza went to England and lived with the Stallworthys in Kent until her death in 1899. I only know what Christine wrote on the RootsWeb board about Adam and Jemima Darling, and the only reference I've found to William Beddoes is a brief mention of him buying two small Fijian islands in 1869 - Nanuya Levu and Nanuya Lailai.  (http://www.turtlefiji.com/legend/history.php)

I wish I could be of more help.

Best regards
Koromo
:)

PS. 'Koromo' is a nickname, and yes it is Japanese for a variety of ornamental fish (koi carp). However, I am a NZer although not living there.
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: WendaJ on Wednesday 08 November 06 17:55 GMT (UK)
Hallo Koromo
I have just come across your postings about the Stallworthy family after a 'Google' search, and am fascinated by all the information. I have been reseaching ancestors for some friends - he is a grandson of George Burnett Stallworthy's daughter Alice. Having found the family on the Ancestry censuses I was intrigued by the 'Samoa' birthplace, and would love to be able to pass this on to my friends.
Could you tell me where you found out all this information, or do I have your permission to pass on the details you have found
Hoping to hear from you soon
Regards
Wenda (in Devon, UK)
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Wednesday 08 November 06 19:11 GMT (UK)

Hi Wendy!

Welcome to RootsChat!  :D  Now, I'm trying to decide which of Alice Stallworthy's children your friend is related to!

You are very welcome to use any information you find here - in fact, I recommend you do a search for the name Stallworthy (look at the very top of any RootsChat page) to find other posts I've made about them.

I know quite a lot about the Stallworthys, and about George Burnett's father, Rev George Stallworthy the missionary who is my great great grandfather, and yes, George Burnett was born in Samoa and was sent home to go to a school in Mornington Crescent!!  Much of the information has come from family sources, and I am in touch with another relative of Alice, too.

How far have you got with them all? Is there something you especially want to know right now?   ;)

Cheers
Koromo
:)
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Wednesday 08 November 06 19:52 GMT (UK)

Hi again Wenda (sorry I didn't get your name right the first time  :-\)

I used to be the only person here who was looking for the Stallworthy name, but I see now that someone else also has Stallworthys in her family.  However, her line typically came from the Great Yarmouth, Norfolk area and many ended up as shoemakers in London. I have never been able to establish a link between my Stallworthys from Buckinghamshire and the Norfolk ones.

Best wishes
Koromo
:)
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: WendaJ on Wednesday 08 November 06 20:27 GMT (UK)
PS Just seen your second message!
You say 'your' Stallworthys were from Buckinghamshire - but George Burnett & family were living in Norfolk in 1881. WOuldn't that indicate a connection?
November 8, 2006
Wenda
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Wednesday 08 November 06 20:42 GMT (UK)

No, I don't think so.  It may have been coincidence that he ended up there to be the Congregational minister. His immediate Stallworthy line can be traced back in Buckinghamshire to at least the 1740s.

I'll send you a personal message with my email address.  :)

K.
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Stuart Coupe on Saturday 21 March 15 20:20 GMT (UK)
Dear Stallworthy posters

I am the Secretary of www.thechapelatbillingshurst.com

We have a plaque dedicated to Rev. Stallworthy. If anybody is interested I can send a photo of this.
He may have been a minister of our Chapel.
Get in touch if interested.

Stuart Coupe
Billingshurst Unitarian Chapel

Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Koromo on Sunday 22 March 15 10:36 GMT (UK)

Hi Stuart

Welcome to RootsChat.

Thank you for your offer of sending a photo of the plaque dedicated to Rev George Burnett STALLWORTHY who was my gr-grandfather's half brother.  I believe that Rev George was at Billingshurst for only about a year from 1921 until his death on 11 August 1922 (according to the Surman Index of Congregational Ministers).

If you post a reply here, the private messaging facility will be activated so that I will be able to send you my email address.

:)
K.
Title: Re: STALLWORTHY 1891 request
Post by: Stuart Coupe on Sunday 22 March 15 19:31 GMT (UK)
Thank you Koromo,
I would be delighted to take a photo and send it to you. I'm, so pleased that I have been able to find out who the plaque is about. If you have a paragraph or so about him, I would like to be able to put it next to the plaque and add it to our little museum of artefacts.

Best wishes,

Stuart