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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Fragglerock on Sunday 12 June 22 21:58 BST (UK)
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Hi to all
Does anyone know or heard of these names. Particularly Isabella Rae. They are from and lived in kirkintilloch.
If so can you let me know if there is any photographs of her with a young girl
called Jean from Glasgow. Date around 1925-26.
Many Thanks in advance
fraggle
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Bit more info for anybody reading this
Hugh Rae married Isabella Dunlop 1908 in Blythswood
1925/6 Isabella would have been in her middle 30's - Jean who & what was their relationship?
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Hi CaroleW
Jean mckinnon Dunlop was my gran, she ended up living with my great gran rae from 1920s onwards x
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If Isabella Rae (nee Dunlop) was your great grandmother & Jean was your grandmother - they should be mother & daughter. So why is Jean surname Dunlop?
When was Jean born?
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Jeans mother died 3 weeks after giving birth to her, but jeans father is Dunlop.
Jean was born in Milton Glasgow. My gran never talked of her past and I have been looking into this x
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Jean mckinnon Dunlop was my gran, she ended up living with my great gran rae from 1920s
If Jean was your g/m who were her mother & father & when was Jean born?
Was Isabella Dunlop/Rae a relation who brought Jean up?
Could she have been a sister to Jean's father?
When looking for info. on people you need to give precise details in the proper context.
Your query is a bit of a riddle as it doesn't make sense...the dots don't join up.
Annie
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Hi this is what I know so far, because my gran never talked about her past its kinda hard. Anne ( Bennett) Dunlop and Thomas Dunlop are both Jeans parents. Anne died 3 weeks after giving birth to her. Then after that nothing until my dad and my auntie both children of Jean told me about my great Gran isabella Rae. There is nothing in between. there is nothing of my gran being adopted as I have been through the GRO. I do not know what relation gran rae is to Jean or Thomas. I have searched records but nothing. The only thing I discovered was her first name Isabella and family on the censors. This is why it is so much of a puzzle. Myself and my family just don't know. Like I say Jean never talked about her family past.
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When was Jean born?
If Jean was your g/m who were her mother & father & when was Jean born?
When and where was Jean born? Have you got her birth certificate?
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No sorry I don't have jeans birth certificate but she was born on the 8th January 1918 in the district of Milton /St rolox
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In that case, I suggest that your next step is to view the birth certificate and see what it tells you.
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Did you get her parents names from her marriage or death cert? If neither - where did you get them from?
Scotlands People shows 2 birth registrations for her as JEANIE McKinnon Dunlop. One is in St Rollox & the other in Milton. Think you may need to download both
Cannot see a Thomas Dunlop/Anne Bennett marriage on SP nor a death for Anne under either surname in 1918
EDIT - she was not Anne Bennett. She was Annie Bennett Henry & marriage was 6.5.1908
Annie Bennett Dunlop died St Rollox 1918 aged 32
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Thomas Dunlop’s WW1 service record is online - he was b Dunbartonshire. Enlisted 1902 aged 18 so born approx 1884.
3 other children apart from Jeanie
William John 9.7.08
James Convery 2.12.09
Helen 30.3.1911
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Did you get her parents names from her marriage or death cert? If neither - where did you get them from?
Scotlands People shows 2 birth registrations for her as JEANIE McKinnon Dunlop. One is in St Rollox & the other in Milton. Think you may need to download both
Cannot see a Thomas Dunlop/Anne Bennett marriage on SP nor a death for Anne under either surname in 1918
EDIT - she was not Anne Bennett. She was Annie Bennett Henry & marriage was 6.5.1908
Annie Bennett Dunlop died St Rollox 1918 aged 32
The one who dies in St Rollox is my great grandmother she died bleeding to death after having my gran Jeanie
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I know - the point I was making is your earlier reply gave the impression Anne’s maiden name was Bennett when it was in fact her middle name & her surname was Henry. She was also Annie - not Anne & Jean was Jeanie. Doesn’t help when trying to trace records
Would suggest you download copies of the 1908 marriage cert for Annie & Thomas & the 1908 marriage cert for Hugh & Isabella to compare Dunlop parentage.
If Thomas & Isabella have the same parents then you will know they were siblings.
You could also look up Annie & the other children on the 1911 census
Were you aware that Jeanie had 3 siblings? Given the gap between Helen in 1911 & Jeanie in 1918 it’s likely there were more. The 1921 Scottish census will be available later this year which will help as you will know who Jeanie was living with at that time
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Hi
No I had no idea my gran had siblings. It's unexpected brilliant news. It's confusing because there is 2 different records of my grans birth, but the one saying milton says something about St Rolox on the end of the page. I am trying to upload all the info I have off scotpeople website. But my phones antivirus won't let me i am pulling my hair out. 🤣🤣
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It's confusing because there is 2 different records of my grans birth, but the one saying milton says something about St Rolox
It need not be confusing.
If a child was born in a registration district other than the one where the parents lived, the birth had to be registered in the district where the birth occurred. However the Registrar there was then required to send the details to the Registrar in the district where the parents lived, who then added the information to his register, so you get a double record of a single event.
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James Convery Dunlop died 1911 - mmn Henry
Helen died 1912 mmn Henry
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I know - the point I was making is your earlier reply gave the impression Anne’s maiden name was Bennett when it was in fact her middle name & her surname was Henry. She was also Annie - not Anne & Jean was Jeanie. Doesn’t help when trying to trace records
Would suggest you download copies of the 1908 marriage cert for Annie & Thomas & the 1908 marriage cert for Hugh & Isabella to compare Dunlop parentage.
If Thomas & Isabella have the same parents then you will know they were siblings.
You could also look up Annie & the other children on the 1911 census
Were you aware that Jeanie had 3 siblings? Given the gap between Helen in 1911 & Jeanie in 1918 it’s likely there were more. The 1921 Scottish census will be available later this year which will help as you will know who Jeanie was living with at that time
At the time of Jeanies birth they lived at 16 Raglan Street Glasgow. I have only just discovered this. But I am going to loose some of my information because we have had a red alert virus on our main computer and my husband is having to do something with the computer and some of my info is going to be lost. I am absolutely gutted.
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At the time of Jeanies birth they lived at 16 Raglan Street Glasgow. I have only just discovered this. But I am going to loose some of my information because we have had a red alert virus on our main computer and my husband is having to do something with the computer and some of my info is going to be lost. I am absolutely gutted.
Are you sure the 'red alert' wasn't a simple notification from RootsChat to inform you someone else had posted a reply while you were typing?
The red alert is normal on RC boards & allows you to view the posts you've missed.
Annie
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No no my husband thought something was wrong early yesterday. Now we know it was from Google images its what's known as a blackmale virus. Really nasty but true they have locked us out or a few things. I have managed to save my 5 years of research of all my family so pleased about that. But I am avoiding my husband today because it was me that caused it by clicking on to the picture as he has to reset everything. 😵
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No no my husband thought something was wrong early yesterday. Now we know it was from Google images its what's known as a blackmale virus. Really nasty but true they have locked us out or a few things. I have managed to save my 5 years of research of all my family so pleased about that. But I am avoiding my husband today because it was me that caused it by clicking on to the picture as he has to reset everything. 😵
Woohoo scrap that my husband is a diamond with computers, he has fixed it..
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That’s great. Let us know the result of downloading the 2 marriage certs & the 1911 entry - see my earlier reply
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That’s great. Let us know the result of downloading the 2 marriage certs
I will do love x
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There is a possibility there were at least 2 other sons - you may want to consider downloading the birth certs to check
I can only find 2 male Dunlop marriage to a female Henry - Jeanie’s parents in 1908 & John Dunlop/Catherine Henry in 1911
However - SP has these 2 Dunlop deaths with mmn Henry
Patrick 69 died 1985 Glasgow - birth 1916 Govan on SP
Francis 75 died 1990 Paisley - 2 birth registration 1914 - both Govan
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There is a possibility there were at least 2 other sons - you may want to consider downloading the birth certs to check
I can only find 2 male Dunlop marriage to a female Henry - Jeanie’s parents in 1908 & John Dunlop/Catherine Henry in 1911
However - SP has these 2 Dunlop deaths with mmn Henry
Patrick 69 died 1985 Glasgow - birth 1916 Govan on SP
Francis 75 died 1990 Paisley - 2 birth registration 1914 - both Govan
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I am going to have a good look tonight when I get in
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Hi all
I have done a little bit of investigating and it turns out that my Great gran Rae was in fact Thomas Dunlops sister Isabella Dunlop before she married Huge Rae in the 1900s.
Somethings are starting to make sense I just wish payday was here so I can pay for extra credits for the marriage, birth and death certificates. 🤗
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1901 census, Milton. William J. Dunlop, 46, Isabella, 45, Thomas Henry. 17, Isabella, 14, Helen, 11, & Eliza Jane, 7.
There was also a daughter, Mary, age 8, on the 1891 census, Milton.
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William John Dunlop married Isabella Convery, 1883, Milton
Isabella died age 55 in 1914, Milton & William in 1925, age 73