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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: tinkerbell5 on Wednesday 08 June 22 22:03 BST (UK)
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Can anyone please help decipher this birthplace from the 1871 England Census for my 4x Great-Grandmother. In later records, she gives her birthplace as Warwickshire. It has been transcribed as Wiltshire.
I think the second word is Tulburstow - after Googling, Tilburstow in Surrey comes up as the closest in spelling, but it's nowhere near Wiltshire or Warwickshire!
I know the quality isn't great but it wouldn't let me upload a high resolution image.
Her name was Mary Ann Jeffery and she was born in approx. 1849. In the 1871 England Census she is listed under her married name, Mary Ann Heath at 49 John Street in Deptford.
Thank you in advance :)
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What was her birthplace in 1851 & 1861 & 1881?
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Thank you for your reply :)
In the later census records, it is only recorded as Warwickshire. I haven't been able to find any records for before 1871 which is why I'm trying to figure out the birthplace from the 1871 census. I know her father was called John Jeffery. I've found potential records in Warwickshire but the birthplace appearing to say Tilburstow in 1871 is making me wonder if it was actually elsewhere.
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When she married Henry Joshua Heath in 1866 both are shown as "full age" but 1871 shows him as 23 & her as 22
looking at her birthplace on the entry - I think it is definitely Warwickshire but the actual place is a mystery
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I had noticed this too - I thought it odd but people seemed to lie a lot back then!
Thank you, I will go with it being Warwickshire and see where it takes me then :)
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I have just gone through all the places starting with T on the Genuki Index & there are actually very few in Warwickshire. The only one long shot was Tredington
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/places/regindex2-2.pdf
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1851 shows her birthplace as Thurlston Warwickshire Piece 2072 folio 648 page 7
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Thank you, I've just found this record too! I can't find the family in 1861, or any birth records in the right area either. From one problem to another!
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THURLASTON ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurlaston,_Warwickshire
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Baptism
Mary Ann Jeffrey
19th Sep 1852 Leamington
John (labourer) and Mary Ann of Leamington
Joseph baptised on same day.
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She could have been a late baptism. Another child baptised here with her.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CG-PT96
According to census Mary Ann is a year older than Joseph.
Sorry, did not see previous post by Comberton.
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I found one for Joseph from the 1851 census on 28 Mar 1850 in Dunchurch - father, John, was a railway labourer as per 1851 census. Dunchurch is next to Thurlston so I think this is likely to be him.
Could he have been baptised twice, again when Mary Ann was born?
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Census
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8M-Q9W
Mary Ann was older than Joseph. So was there was a Joseph who died, and another born and baptised?
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No I can only find 1 birth registration
JEFFREY, JOSEPH Mother -WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 521
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Perhaps they were both baptised again when they moved to Leamington? I don't know why that would be, but it seems with this family anything is possible!
I'm struggling to find birth registrations too, can't seem to find them in 1861 either.
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No I can only find 1 birth registration
JEFFREY, JOSEPH Mother -WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 521
I can't find a marriage for Mary Ann Wright to John Jeffrey, I've tried with name variants ticked too
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Ignore my last reply - I've found one, not Warwickshire, but Leicestershire, Lutterworth to be exact!
MARY ANN WRIGHT
JOHN JEFFERY
Volume 15 Page Number 201 District Lutterworth
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I found one for Joseph from the 1851 census on 28 Mar 1850 in Dunchurch - father, John, was a railway labourer as per 1851 census. Dunchurch is next to Thurlston so I think this is likely to be him.
There is also a William baptised at the same time as Joseph
JEFFREY, WILLIAM mother - WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 521
Now I am wondering if this is a different family, as William is not on the census.
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No William died :'(
Death rego
JEFFEREY, WILLIAM age 0
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 348
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Oh no, how awful for them.
I'm still looking in 1861 with no luck yet.
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I don't think the Rugby births are the right family - Mary Ann Wright and John Jeffery were married in 1849 so too late for the birth of Edward who was born in 1844 as per the 1851 census :(
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Yes, I am not fully confident either.
That marriage for Mary Ann Wright to John Jeffery in Lutterworth is 1st quarter 1848.
That works for the birth of the daughter Mary Ann in 1849. Lutterworth is very near Dunchurch where the baptism records were.
The boy named Edward is born such a lot earlier (1844, supposedly Gloucestershire?!) and then a five year gap to Mary Ann. I wonder if he was a child to a previous marriage for either John or Mary Ann, or an illegitimate son for one of them. They were both old enough to have had a child in 1844.
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I have had a very long search for this family in the 1861 census - cannot find any member of the family. Most infuriating ! :-\
When Mary Ann married in May 1866, she was only about 17yrs, yet she says she was full age. Husband, Henry was 19 but also said he was full age – perhaps they were married without parents’ knowledge, and so they lied about age. Or her parents were not alive anymore?
Her address was Kent St, Southwark. Same as Henry. When did she move to this area in Surrey?
I think you might need to have a look at this marriage certificate and / or birth cert of one of the boys to see if that helps sort out the issue.
That marriage for Mary Ann Wright to John Jeffery in Lutterworth is 1st quarter 1848.
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I know - it's driving me mad trying to find them!
Henry's parents were both still alive at the time of their marriage. I don't know about Mary Ann as the only information I have about her father is that his name was John and he was a labourer. Both Henry and Mary Ann say that they were living in the Kent Street Borough, but all the records I have say that Henry was actually living in Deptford.
No idea when she moved to Surrey. There are lots of potential entries for domestic servants in 1861 - perhaps with the incorrect birth place listed?
She was also admitted in and out of the workhouse/infirmary as she got older. I've looked at the relatives listed upon her admission and none of them are her maiden family. On one entry, it says George (Brother) at Oakhurst Farm, Eltham. I was so hopeful but unfortunately this was actually an in-law.
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I've also looked at the first and middle names of Henry and Mary Ann's children to see if any could have been passed on. Unfortunately, the names all seem to come from Henry's side, with some of them being exactly the same as the names of Henry's siblings.