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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: OurAncestors on Friday 03 June 22 14:18 BST (UK)
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My ancestor lived in Willington Quay in what was then Northumberland, he died in 1915 in the Tynemouth Workhouse Infirmary and he was also there in 1911 where he gave his place of birth as Knocknahur, Sligo.
I have a marriage certificate from 1869 in Hartlepool which I believe may be for him in which he gives his father's name as Micheal Coleman, a Hawker.
Would anyone be kind enough to suggest how I may find more about his origins. His wife Mary Anne Dixon may have also been from Sligo but I am not sure.
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Knocknahur townland:
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/carbury/kilmacowen/kilmacowen/knocknahur-north/
did John have many children? often naming patterns could give more information. if you list them I’d be happy to have a look. also had a look for michael coleman death certs but couldn’t see much.
maybe also give all details on 1869 marriage cert. will also have a look at land records and newspaper records. (which are free on findmypast at the moment so you could also have a look yourself)
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Here is a link to the discussion on the marriage
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857058.msg7256043#msg7256043
The children were Samuel Dixon (I believe named after his wife's father)
Catherine Dixon, John, Mary Anne, John, and James. Both the Johns as well as Samuel died in infancy.
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This from 1861 census, Knaresborough. Michael Coleman, licensed Hawker & family.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M712-ZV8
1881 census for Michael (Unlikely to be same one)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q275-Y3Z4
Children on 1861 census have MMN of Lemmon & Kelley or Kelly for the younger ones
1881 census, Knaresborough for Ann & some of children. Son Michael is a hawker. Ann listed as a widow.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27R-CPNP
There is a death of a Michael Coleman in Knaresborough, 1865, age 44.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:661H-8G81
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Thank you for looking. The place of birth being Sligo and the family names suggest this could be the one. I have also found a 1851 census for him in Knaresborough and a 1861 for Leicestershire. I am wondering if John may have travelled to England as a child as it seems some of Micheal's other children were born there. According to my records he was definitely a roman catholic.
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Also I am looking at John's wife Mary Anne Dixon, she died in 1883 so unfortunately all I have on her place of birth is "Ireland" off the census. It seem this was a fairly common name and I am not getting anywhere. If I have the correct marriage certificate and they married in Hartlepool the only evidence of her being from Ireland is the census enumerator's guess?
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Does the marriage not give the name and occupation of Mary Anne Dixon's father?
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Yes it does. Samuel Dixon, Labourer. She named her first child "Samuel Dixon".
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Who were the witnesses on the 1869 marriage cert?
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One looks like Margaret Johnson and one is not readable. I am trying to upload a screenshot
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Could also be Margaret Solomon? And the other looks like James.
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James O'Brien is 1st one. Was hoping that they would be brothers or sisters.
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James O'Brien. Margaret Gorman.
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Thank you all for your help.
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Updating the search for my ancestors, I did find a bit more information regarding the Knarsborough family probably not being the one because they are missing a John at the appropriate period, but I did come up with a possible family match in the household of Batty Coleman in Sligo from the 1911 Irish census.
I also found that John and Mary Ann had an infant daughter named Margaret Dixon Coleman, born 19 jan 1870, Haverton Hill, Billingham. Registered by Mary Ann Coleman. John is a general labourer.
A death certificate from 13 Feb 1870 lists cause of death as premature birth. The informant is John Coleman present at the death.
I have looked into the possibilities as to what they were doing there and it seemed a hive of industry in 1870 with possibilities of all sorts of work for a general labourer. I have been past Haverton Hill recently and it seems mainly to be the destination for a Teeside recycling plant.
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So, was the Christian name and Surname of John's mother ever determined? Not clear to me. Would be a big help.
Should have been able to determine from birth registrations of Michael's children born in England.
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Knocknahur townland is in the parish of St. John's Sligo, where the parish registers are extant from 1831. I see quite a few Coleman baptisms in the 1830s and 40s, but none with father Michael.
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Thanks for your input.
I don’t have any evidence for Johns mother’s maiden name.
I was looking at the Coleman family which settled in Knaresborough and the mother was Anna Kelly. But I discounted that family as I can’t find a John in the correct period. I made contact with a member of the knaresborough family and they did not know about my John.
I was told by my ancestor that my branch of the family were tinkers.
I have found some more clues:
Name John Coleman
Baptism Age 0
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 1845
Baptism Date 20 May 1845
Baptism Place Lorrha and Dorrha, Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants Doorha, Dorrha, Durrow, Lorha, Lorha and Durrow, Lorrha and Doorha
Diocese Killaloe
Father
Michael Coleman
Mother
Bridget Hegarty
How ever I do have confirmation of the 1911census tynemouth workhouse where John Coleman is supposed to be from knocknahur Sligo. It fits with my other verified facts.
If I could even get a census of Ireland copy which had both John and Michael in then that would help. According to census records John was born 1845.
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If I could even get a census of Ireland copy which had both John and Michael in then that would help. According to census records John was born 1845.
Unfortunately, that is very unlikely. Pre 1901 only small isolated fragments survive.
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I have not been able to get the birth certificate for any other of Michaels children born in England because of not having any proof of who they are.
A Michael Coleman in sligo is on the 1901 census
Michael Coleman
Gender Male
Marital Status Widower
Age 86
Birth Date abt 1815
Birth Place Co Sligo
Residence Date 31 Mar 1901
House Number 1
Residence Place Rathmactiernan, Cartron, Sligo, Ireland
Relation to Head Head of Family (Head)
Occupation Farmer
Religion Roman Catholic
Language Spoken Irish English
Literacy Read write
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Michael Coleman 86 Head of Family (Head)
Batty Coleman
35
Son
Henry Coleman
30
Son
This would probably only apply if my ancestor John Coleman came to England without his father?
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This from 1861 census, Knaresborough. Michael Coleman, licensed Hawker & family.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M712-ZV8
1881 census for Michael (Unlikely to be same one)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q275-Y3Z4
Children on 1861 census have MMN of Lemmon & Kelley or Kelly for the younger ones
1881 census, Knaresborough for Ann & some of children. Son Michael is a hawker. Ann listed as a widow.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27R-CPNP
There is a death of a Michael Coleman in Knaresborough, 1865, age 44.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:661H-8G81
I have gone back to this again despite the fact that I had a message from someone with that record in their tree, claiming the Colemans were well off and they did not know of a John.
Because....
I found a marriage record for Bridget Coleman who could have been "my" Johns sister, and on that record it said her father Micheal was a Hawker. Now on that 1861 census Micheal Coleman Knaresboro the pages you get from the sites do not have a John in them. BUT if you actually load and look at the copy of the original record there are many more children listed! There is a John , son, aged 20! So because of Bridget's father being a Hawker, I'm going to assume This is "my John. Why are so few of the children listed. There are the following children, Bridget, Margaret, John, Patrick, Micheal, Thomas, Henry, Martin! The record is incomplete without all the children.
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I looked at it again and I see that there are 2 Michael Colemans and family on the same page and the Michael Coleman who is a Hawker doesn’t have a son John listed.