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Good day
I'm trying this new thread because the "Hill family of Larne, Hillmount and Ballymena" thread has seen little recent activity, and because there is an Antrim/Tyrone overlap.
The schoolteacher John Hill of Ballyboley (c. 1813-1890, buried in Ballynure) appears as John Hill of:
- Drumquin / Upper Langfield, in Tyrone
- Hillmount, Ballyboley
- (I think) Bushmills - a teacher, 4th class, in the National Schools lists for 1852.
See Londonderry Standard 24 July 1867 for his son Samuel, a Customs official.
Another son shot himself in 1905 and is associated with yet another Hillmount:
Probate of the Will of William Hugh Hill late of Hillmount Greenisland County Antrim Superintendent of Works who died 30 December 1905 granted at Belfast to Andrew Sayers and William Gillespie Building Inspectors.
From the Ballynure inscriptions, John's father was Samuel Hill (died 24 April 1831 aged 78). Samuel's wife may be "Jennet" in the 1813 records, but may not be his first wife.
This John Hill is to be distinguished from his namesake and Ballyboley neighbour - also buried in Ballynure - the husband of Eliza Clements and father of S A Hill (Kipling's friend and host). But distinguishing the families is not always easy, especially as both families contained NS teachers. As usual, I and NIFHS colleagues will be most grateful if anyone knows further links - e.g. definite evidence about John's parents and grandparents, or about John's reliance on the solicitor William Walsh McNeill in his litigation. It is likely that WWM is important in the story - see the posts in the thread mentioned above. What was the family link, if any, between George & Mary Hill (of Larne, “Hillmount” etc.) and this John Hill (of Drumquin and the “Hillmount” residence in Ballyboley) ?
best wishes
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I'm trying this new thread because the "Hill family of Larne, Hillmount and Ballymena" thread has seen little recent activity, and because there is an Antrim/Tyrone overlap.
Previous thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=342167.0
The schoolteacher John Hill of Ballyboley (c. 1813-1890, buried in Ballynure) appears as John Hill of:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06084/4735688.pdf
See Londonderry Standard 24 July 1867 for his son Samuel, a Customs official.
Not everyone will be able to access this article so if anything is relevant to this new thread it would be best for you to mention it here.
Another son shot himself in 1905 and is associated with yet another Hillmount:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05574/4565373.pdf
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Thanks.
The newspapers are probably essential to this query - I don't think I'm allowed to post copies, but the 1867 text reads
"Mr. Samuel Hill, son of John Hill, Esq., Upper Langfield, county Tyrone, [and] Hillmount, Upper Antrim. This young gentleman's many friends in Belfast will be happy to hear of his appointment..."
Appointed where? HM Customs in London?
I've attached a summary of some PRONI papers strongly suggesting a family link via the McNeills / Fitzgibbons of that "Hillmount" thread - but this does not (yet) prove John's link with Rev. John Hill & his wife Ann Moore.
I realise that from one point of view I am simply grumpy that R M Sibbett's background knowledge ("The Larne McNeills, connected with the Hills of Hillmount, followed the legal profession" - On The Shining Bann) wasn't fully preserved!
cheers
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Moreover and alarmingly I see that Fitzgibbon (by now Q.C. in the County Court) heard a case in Larne (Larne Times 26 October 1895) where William Hill claimed and the defendants counterclaimed.
"His Honour set one claim against the other and dismissed the case without costs" - jolly good.
William was acting as executor of his uncle William Howie. It is possible that all parties including His Honour were already acquainted. So, a supplementary question...can these Hills of Ballygowan be positively linked with the aforementioned John Hill, and with George & Mary? It is a bit late but I hope some reader(s) have followed the good work by Gilby, pablo1 et al. and found relevant papers, perhaps from legal records of Fitzgibbon and W W McNeill jr.
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1.William Hill, farmer
2.Alexander Hill of Ballygowan, d. 1875; m. 1858 to Elizabeth Howie, dau of William Howie of Ballylagan; executors of his will were David Hill of Castletown and Arthur Mahwhinney of Ballygowan, both farmers.
witnessing their marriage were Matilda Miller and David Hill.
3.William Hill, died 1926; m. Agnes, d. 1939; probate of his will to David Alexander Hill and John Mackey, farmers. Probate of her will to David Alexander Hill.
3.Thomas Hill of Ballygowan m. 1885 to Jenny Mawhinney, dau of Arthur Mawhinney of Ballygowan.
The above mentioned David Alexander Hill died 1958 with probate granted to Nancy J. Hill and Martha M. Hill, both spinsters.
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1.Thomas Hill, farmer
2.David Hill, farmer, of Castletown m. 1853 to Sarah Johnston, dau of Matthew Johnston, farmer, of Ballygowan; witnessing their marriage were Samuel Kirk and Samuel Scott.
1901 census--26 Castletown
Sarah Hill, aged 69, mother and widow
Thomas Hill, 44, son, farmer
Annie Eliza, 46, wife
David Hill, 17
Thomas Hill, 16
Robert John Hill, 13
James Hill, 10
Matthew George Hill, 8
Samuel Hill, 5
Lizzie Jane Hill, 12, niece of Tom and Sarah.
Sarah Jane Hill, 40, sister of Tom and dau of Sarah; unmarried.
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1901 census--16 Ballygowan
William Hill, 38
Agnes, 38, wife
David A., 5
Jane, 1
Nancy Jamison Hill, 3
Lizzie, 10
Mary Jamison Hill, 8
1911 census--7 Ballygowan
William Hill and Agnes, both aged 48
Lizzie, 20
Mary, 18
David Alexander Hill, 15
Agnes, 13
Jane, 11
Martha Maria, 7
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Adding links-
2.Alexander Hilly of Ballygowan, d. 1875; m. 1858 to Elizabeth Howie, dau of William Howie of Balllylagan;
Alexander HILL married Elizabeth HOWIE on 2 March 1858 at Ballylinny Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09541/5458796.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/ballynure/ballynure/ballygowan/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/ballynure/ballynure/ballylagan/
2.David Hill, farmer, of Castletown m. 1853 to Sarah Johnston, dau of Matthew Johnston, farmer, of Ballygowan; witnessing their marriage were Samuel Kirk and Samuel Scott.
David HILL married Sarah JOHNSTON on 14 April 1853 at Ballynure Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09452/5424633.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/ballynure/ballynure/castletown/
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Hills of Co. Antrim, around Ballynure
1.John Hill of Ballyboley, 1819-1897, m. Eliza Clements, 1819-1899.
2.Mary Hill, b. 1841
2.Sarah Hill, b. abt. 1843
2.Jane Hill, 1847-1872.
2.Professor Samuel Alexander Hill, 1851-1890, died in India.
2.David Hill, b. 1854
2.Margaret Hill, b. 1857, schoolmistress
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1.Samuel Hill, 1753-1831, m. ?
2.John Hill, 1813-1890, farmer and teacher; m. Margaret, 1817-1897
3.John Hill, Jr.
3.William Hugh Hill, died 1905; superintendent of works, inspector of new streets; m. Martha, 1858-1900.
3.Samuel Hill, custom's officer.
above related to John H. Hill, died 1926.
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1.David Hill of Bridge End, 1802-1872 m. ?
2.Hugh Hill, 1835-1859.
2.David Hill, Jr., 1839-1904, m. 1860 Mary Wilson, 1835-1879, dau of Malcolm Wilson.
3.Agnes Hill, 1864-1873
3.Robert Hugh Hill, b. 1867.
3.Malcolm Hill, b. 1869.
3.Mary Hill, b. 1870
3.David Hill, b. 1871
3.William Hill, b. 1873
3.Matthew Henry Hill, b. 1876.
Executors of David's will were William John Hill of Ballyboley and Thomas Hill of Tildarg.
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1.David Hill m. ?
2.William John Hill m. 1861 Maria Houston, dau of Robert Houston, farmer of Ballyboley.
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1.John Hill, farmer.
2.Hugh Hill of Castletown, m. 1863 Elizabeth Crowe, dau of Samuel Crowe, farmer of Ballynure.
Witnesses to their marriage were Robert Hill and Jane Scott Crowe.
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1.John Hill, weaver
2.Hugh Hill of Ballygowan, labourer; m. 1859 Esther ?Dempsey?, widow, dau of James Hall, farmer.
Witnesses to their marriage were Alexander Hill and John Hall.
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1.Hugh Hill m. ?
2.Hugh Hill, Jr. of Ballyboley, m. 1854 to Sarah Eglson, dau of James Eglson, farmer of Drummaull.
Witnesses to their marriage were William Hill and William Clark.
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1.David Hill, farmer, m. ?
2.Hugh Hill, merchant of Belfast; m. 1856 Elizabeth Graham, dau of William Graham, stone cutter of Belfast.
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1.James Hill, Ballycor, died 1919; m. Mary Ann (Marianne) Wilson, d. 1906, aged 58;
2.David Hill, b. 1875
2.Eliza Huston Hill, b. 1878
2.Mary Parkhill Hill, 1876-1890.
2.Hugh Hill, 1879-1920
2.Mary Parkhill Hill, died 1893, 8 mos.
2.James Houston Hill, died 1911.
3.James Hill, b. 1875
2.Robert Hill, 1841-1853.
2.Alexander Hill, died in infancy.
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Ballynure Old Cemetery
1.David Hill, 1780-1834, m. Mary, 1795-1859
2.Robert Hill, 1809-1831
2.David Hill, 1815-1883.
2.Alexander Hay Hill, 1827-1846.
2.Dr. Samuel Hay Hill, 1829-1850.
2.Hugh Hay Hill, farmer, 1832-1866
Related, David Wilson Hill, 1914-1987.
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1.William Hill m.
2.Alexander Hill m.
3.Thomas Hill of Ballygowan m. 1885 Jenney Mawhinney, dau of Arthur Mawhinney.
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1.Timothy Hill, farmer
2.William Hill of Ballygowan m. 1852 Jane Johnston, dau of James Johnston, farmer of Ballygowan.
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0.David Hill
1.James Hill of Tildarg House
1.Thomas Hill of Tildarg m. 1858 Henrietta Wilson, dau of Thomas Wilson, farmer;
witnesses to their marriage were Hugh H. Hill and William J. Wilson
2.Margaret Hill, b. 1864.
2.David Hill, b. 1866.
2.Henrietta Hill, b. 1868.
2.Agnes Hill, b. 1871.
1.William Hill m.
2.Robert Hill of Ballynashee m. 1857 Jean Boyd, dau of Thomas Boyd.
3.William Hill, died young.
3.John Hill, died young
3.Thomas Hill, died young.
3.Rachel Hill m. 1885 William Graham of Ballyalbana, son of William Graham, Sr.
3.Maggie Hill, unmarried.
3.Eliza Jane Hill, b. 1874; m. 1899 Thomas John Robinson , son of Samuel Robinson--my Robinson line.
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In 1901 family was living at 5 Mullans, Dirraw, Antrim and in 1911 at 24 Mullans.
LINKS-
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dirraw/Mullans/945875/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dirraw/Mullans/129613/
1.Thomas Hill of Tildarg m. 1858 Henrietta Wilson, dau of Thomas Wilson, farmer;
witnesses to their marriage were Hugh H. Hill and William J. Wilson
LINK - Marriage 18 November 1858
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09541/5458793.pdf
Thomas Hill living at Ballycor.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-upper/ballycor/ballyclare-rural/ballycor/
Henrietta living at Straid.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/ballynure/ballynure/straid/
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1.William Hill, farmer.
2.Alexander Hill, died 1875 of Ballygowan; m. 1858 Elizabeth Howie, dau of William Howie of Ballylaggen.
3.William Hill of Ballygowan, died 1926; m. 1890 Agnes Jamison, dau of David Jamison, farmer of Ballybracken.
3.Thomas Hill m. 1885 Jenny, dau of Arthur Mawhinney and Easther Blair.
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Ballynure Old Graveyard from the book, Old Families of Carrickfergus and Ballynure
Thomas Wilson of Straid died 1855, aged 48; his wife, Mark Parkhill, died 1869, aged 56; Mary Hill, the wife of Thomas Wilson, Jr., died 1894, aged 53; their eldest son, David Hill Wilson, died 1902, aged 35; Dr. John Wilson, Fleet Surgeon, R. N., died 1897, aged 50; Robert Henry Wison, died 1904, aged 59; Thomas Wilson, Jr., JP, husband of the above Mary, died 1915, aged 73. Thomas, Jr. was a merchant.
Within this same grave enclosure: Robert Wilson of Legaloy, 1805-1878; Mary Ann, his wife, d. 1891, aged 83; their nephew and adopted son, Brigade-Surgeon Dr. Joseph W. J. Wilson, died 1918, aged 79;
Thomas Wilson, merchant of Straid, son of Thomas Wilson, merchant, married in 1866 to Mary Hill, dau of David Hill, merchant of Ballynure.
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https://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=61352.15
Concerns Hill, Wilson, and Gilmer families.
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Hill family who emigrated to Abbeville, South Carolina in the U.S. in 1822
1.David Hill, in Ireland
1.John Hill, in Ireland
2.Sarah Hill, aged 27, of Ballyboley, m. 1871 to David Hay, farmer, son of William Hay, farmer, of Finvoy, Ballymoney. Witnesses were Jane and John Hill.
3.Mary Hay, 23, in 1901.
3.Sara Hay, 19, in 1901; teacher
3.Anna Hay, 15, in 1901
3.Edna Hay, 13, in 1901
In 1901 family was living at 5 Mullans, Dirraw, Antrim and in 1911 at 24 Mullans.
For Abbevill family see findagrave # 85085295
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85085295/william-hill
1.William Hill, 1805-1886; became a storekeeper and judge; m. Anna Hamilton Donald, 1807-1880, dau of Maj. John Donald of Donaldsville. They had six sons and four daus.
According to a letter written in 1872 to his brother, David, William was an uncle to Sarah, in Ireland, who had married her cousin, David Hay. William also mentioned his Aunt Sallie in Ireland.
Buried in the same cemetery with William, Anna, and Robert Hill was Andrew M. Hamilton, 1808-1888, son of Maj. Andrew Hamilton and Jane McGara.
2.John Donnald Hill, 1826-1847.
2.William Franklin Hill, 1834-1853.
2.Annie Eliza Hill, 1836-1919 m. Charles Cox.
2.Judge Robert Emmet Hill 1839-1872, m. Mary Thomas, 1851-1885, m. Sarah Jane Richey; m. Mary Thomson Hamilton; m. Mattie Ward.
2.Mary Jane Hill, 1841-1919, m. Dr. Harrison Israel Epting
2.Sarah Ellen Hill, 1843-1927, m. 1. Mr. McIlwaine; m. 2. John W. Calvert; m. 3. Calvert Henry
2.John Livingston Hill, 1849-1933, m. Susan Talulah Riley
2.Mary Jane Hill who married twice, with one husband being a doctor. She had three children by her first husband and two by her second.
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The Hills are alive with the sound of music...
I believe that most of the Hill families I listed are related. However, returning to the main question
of how or even whether, Samuel Hill, Esq., son of John Hill, Esq. of Upper Langfield, Co. Tyrone and Hillmount Co. Antrim is related is another kettle of fish.
All I have been able to discover so far about this family is that John had a dau Mary who died in 1868 at the age of 15.
Also, that there was a Rev. John Hill, rector of Longfield, who was a brother of Sir George Hill of Derry. Not much to go on and connect with yet, I'm afraid. It is definite that more research needs to be done to prove a connection between the many Hills of Antrim.
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3.Mary Hay, 23, in 1901.
3.Sara Hay, 19, in 1901; teacher
3.Anna Hay, 15, in 1901
3.Edna Hay, 13, in 1901
In 1901 family was living at 5 Mullans, Dirraw, Antrim and in 1911 at 24 Mullans.
See reply #7
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Thanks for taking an interest
Just a reminder that "Edna" (1887-1913) was in full "Edmonia Hill Hay", and since she was S A Hill's niece I reckon that she was named in honour of his wife Edmonia "Ted" Taylor.
There is no guarantee that John Hill (Drumquin & Ballyboley) was a near relative of his Ballyboley neighbour John Hill (S A Hill's father) - I'm just hoping for clarity. DNA investigations continue...but the trees are tangled, e.g. Edna's maternal grandmother was Jane Hill and her paternal grandfather John was Jane's brother, if I've got this right.
Any further news of Samuel Hill the Customs official, who "had made many friends while in Belfast"?
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From the book, The Linen Houses of Co. Antrim and North County Down, by Kathleen Rankin
In 1825 the Young family purchased the Hillmount House, the bleach green and mill from John Hill who had become bankrupt. Now George Hill had also occupied an estate called Hillmount. Were these estates one and the same or different?
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Just a reminder that "Edna" (1887-1913) was in full "Edmonia Hill Hay"....
Birth 25 May 1887 at Mullans townland. MMN Hill
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02563/1947810.pdf
Mullans townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/finvoy/dirraw/mullans/
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A positive ID would help, but I suppose the man "John H Hill" on the Ballynure headstone (died 1926, bachelor age 83) must be John Houston Hill and an early son of John Hill of Hillmount, Ballyboley. At census times, he's probably the retired farmer in Holyrood Road (1901; a John Hill sold Hillmount in 1897) and the tea agent in Duncairn Gardens (1911); he dies (with the missionary David Boyd on the death reg) in Limestone Road, which is where Margaret Hill the music teacher lived.
To recap - and distinguish some of the many places called Hillmount - let's call HM#1 the one near the carn or cairn field by Upper Ballyboley school, and a bit north of Hills Bridge at Lower Ballyboley; convenient access between these two areas was at issue in the violent 1870s squabbles of John Hill and his Ballyboley neighbours. Press reports about John's disagreements with school management mention a teacher daughter - possibly Margaret above, though that is speculation.
Call the one in Drains near Larne HM#2 - this is presumably the one mentioned in the will of George Hill (died 1828). Call the one in Greenisland, also near the shore, where the unfortunate son William Hugh Hill shot himself, HM#3 - see Belfast News-letter 5 August 1906 for the auction ("There is a free Second Class Railway Ticket to Belfast attached").
Call the one near Cullybackey HM#4 - probably the best known, held for many years by the Frazer family (of Frazer & Haughton), and long ago by John Hill who met financial difficulties.
So what's the exact link between John Hill of Drumquin/Ballyboley and George&Mary? There are so many Hillmounts that a John Hill who calls his property Hillmount would get no attention for that alone; but in addition we see the solicitors McNeill and Fitzgibbon, and lease/mortgage dealings between John and George's widow Mary Hill...and this does get my attention.
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Rittrock, thank you for your explanation concerning the various Hillmounts.
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A few more Hills in the area:
1.Thomas Hill m.
2.David Hill of Castletown; m. 1853 Sarah Johnston, dau of Matthew Johnston, farmer of
Ballygowan.
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1.Joseph McCay
2.John McCay, draper, m. 1851 to Frances Jane, eldest dau of the late John Hill, draper merchant, of
Diamond, Londonderry.
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Samuel Hill, Esq. of Moyarget, near Ballycastle, m. Anna, eldest dau of the late John Forsythe, Esq. of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA.
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1.Capt. George Hill of Mountjoy, Tyrone
2.Charlotta Maria Hill m. 1850 Henry Ambrose Hare, Esq., 17th Regt.
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From the Hutchinson Bequest
1.Isabella Stewart m. Thomas Stewart of Esson
2.Mary m. Colin Campbell
3.Hugh Campbell m.
4.Mary Campbell m. William M'Illmoyle
3.Isabella Campbell m. Adam Hill
4.Elizabeth Hill m. William Stewart
5.Elizabeth Stewart
5.Ann Stewart m. John Stewart
5.Jennet Stewart
3.Catherine Campbell m. Charles Kane
4.Bernard Kane
2.Elizabeth Stewart m. John M'Neil
3.Robert M'Neil m.
4.Elizabeth M'Neil m. William Hill
5.Ann Hill m. James Hopkins
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From Hutchinson Bequest
1.George Boyd m.
2.William Boyd m.
3.Miss Boyd m. a Cathcart
4.Esther Cathcart m. James Hill
5.Rose Hill
5.John Hill
5.William Hill
5.Joseph Hill
5.James Hill
5.Samuel Hill
5.Giles Hill
3.Robert Boyd m.
4.Jane Boyd m. John Tennant
4.Barbara Boyd m. Patrick Gillan
3.William Boyd
3.Margaret Boyd m. a McDonnell
4.Margaret McDonnell m. Gill McPhall
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2.David Hill of Castletown; m. 1853 Sarah Johnston, dau of Matthew Johnston, farmer of
Ballygowan.
Marriage 14 April 1853
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09452/5424633.pdf
2.John McCay, draper, m. 1851 to Frances Jane, eldest dau of the late John Hill, draper merchant, of
Diamond, Londonderry.
Marriage 14 September 1851
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1851/09412/5409954.pdf