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I have a Thomas Mellors, born 1913 Manchester, Lancashire England in the 1921 census living in Chesterfield.
Please can anyone tell me where in Chesterfield he was living and if there is any evidence that he was not with his birth mother.
Thanks in advance ,
Pat.
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Edited to remove information.
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Thank you very much for this.
Family belief is that Thomas had been born under a different name and have his birth year as December 17 1912.
The Manchester birthplace agrees with what the family do know about Thomas.
As adoption didn't become official until 1926 I expect this may never be discovered.
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Hi
Don't totally rule out the 17th Dec 1912 birthdate unless you have seen the bc.The reg of Births law gives parents 6 weeks/42 days period to register a birth.
It's not unknown for a child born in December to have been reg in the first Q of the following year I have a couple in my FT. One is a Gt GM born 12th Dec and reg on 1st January of following year , wouldn't happen now, the New Year's Day Reg I mean
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This is Thomas and Ada in 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T5-RVB
Thomas Mellors married Ada Rogers at St Mary & All Saints, Chesterfield 28 March 1910 1910
No births registered for a Mellors with mmn Rogers.
Thomas did give his birth as 17 Dec 1912 in the later register.
Some trees give his father as John Mellor and one has a mother named Ellen Fish. However, that family was living in Yorkshire in 1911.
David
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I have a similar problem with my great grandfather who doesn't seem to exist prior to his marriage.
An old family tree mentions a step-brother, but that is not possible because neither of the step-brother's parents had a prior or subsequent marriage. However, after a DNA test, I found numerous matches to the alleged step-brother's family but none to my surname.
One of the step-brother's siblings, with roughly the same birth date and occupation, went missing. It appears that he changed both of his names to those of my ancestor.
Thomas Mellors may have also have changed one or both of his when adopted. A DNA test might shed some light on his origins and relatives.
David
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This is Thomas and Ada in 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T5-RVB
Thomas Mellors married Ada Rogers at St Mary & All Saints, Chesterfield 28 March 1910 1910
No births registered for a Mellors with mmn Rogers.
Thomas did give his birth as 17 Dec 1912 in the later register.
Some trees give his father as John Mellor and one has a mother named Ellen Fish. However, that family was living in Yorkshire in 1911.
Just to say three Mellors/Rodgers birth entires on FreeBMD from 1919 registered in Chesterfield as mentioned none for a Thomas Mellors 1912 with mmn Rodgers/Rogers
On the 1910 m/c Ada's surname is RoDgers her father Samuel Rodgers, deceased labourer
EDIT to add
It looks as if those births from 1919 in Chesterfield should have the surname MellArs not MellOrs and there is a marriage for a Walter MellArs to an Ann RoDgers in 1917 Chesterfield
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Family belief is that Thomas had been born under a different name and have his birth year as December 17 1912.
The Manchester birthplace agrees with what the family do know about Thomas.
As adoption didn't become official until 1926 I expect this may never be discovered.
A long shot if Thomas Mellors had a completely different name at birth there are these births entries registered in Manchester Dec Qtr. 1912 on FreeBMD with the same mother's name
HOLLAND Charles A Holland Manchester 8d 429
KELLY John Kelly Manchester 8d 402
MONKS William Monks Manchester 8d 324
PRINCE George Prince Manchester 8d see D/15
Dec 1915 PRINCE George W. Prince Manchester 8d 346
The above transcription represents what is in the GRO index but it is referred to by the following entry Births 1912 Dec: PRINCE, George, Prince, Manchester, 8d, see D/15
which implies that this is a late entry, that is an entry that has been registered in a quarter later than the event
and if the birth was registered in the Mar Qtr. 1913 there are these entries
KNOWLANDS William H Knowlands Manchester 8d 400
MELLOR Stanley Mellor Manchester 8d 403
SMITH Harold Smith Manchester 8d 433
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Thanks to all for your help. It's a friend of mine's family I was trying to help them find out about.
It looks as if Thomas was not born to the people who brought him up then.
The only other thing about his birth that they seem to believe is that he was born in Sale.
Anyway I will pass on the information you have all found for me and thanks once again.
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Thank you for letting us all know. I just want to add this. One of the births I looked at earlier today was
Thomas Rogers reg Mar Q 1912 @ Bucklow ( which is on the border between Lancashire & Cheshire) mother's maiden name Rogers. Which would probably mean that she was a single mother at that time The GRO ref. if your friend wanted to order the cert is Volume 8a Page 382
Sale is one of the districts that was covered by Bucklow in 1912. It's just possible that Thomas was actually born Dec 1911 and reg in the 1st Q of 1912 . But without buying the cert and checking it ???
And David's suggestion re DNA testing is also a good one
Good luck with your search
Lemur41
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Ill pass this information on too. Thanks once again.
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Edited to remove information.
Please remember that 1921 census is only available on via a subscription site. RootsChat does not allow requests for look ups from subscription sites.
All the info given was gleaned from the free index, I don't have a sub (and the 1921 census isn't included in their subscriptions)
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Please could the moderator explain to us why the post was edited, so that we are clear with their thinking
John