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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Zakerias on Wednesday 11 May 22 22:21 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
Ann Lowe (nee Mumford) (abt 1822-1870) married Joseph Lowe at Kenilworth in October 1850. Her father is listed on the marriage certificate as ‘William Mumford’, her profession is a servant and residence is also Kenilworth.
Ancestry suggests that Ann Mumford maybe ‘Mary Ann Mumford’, parents William and Ann, baptised in Kineton in 1823 (there is an ‘Ann Mumford’ listed in the 1841 census for Kineton). However, in both the 1851 and 1861 census her birthplace is listed as ‘Balsall’ (the same as her husband (who was born in nearby Honiley)). I’m not sure if this is incorrectly recorded, or Ann was born in or around Balsall. It may be worth noting that Balsall Common is quite far away from Kineton (about 20 miles).
All I can say for sure is that her dad was a ‘William Mumford’ but I have no idea where Ann may have been born, or who her mother is. I would appreciate any information that anyone may come across, as I’ve been stuck here for around a year.
Many thanks!
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There's a William and Mary Mumford baptising children in Balsall in the 1820s and 30s. Not found an Ann, though. He's a farmer. They live in Hampton In Arden
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What is her fathers occupation on her marriage certificate.
Have you found him on any census.
Fay
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Ancestry suggests that Ann Mumford maybe ‘Mary Ann Mumford’, parents William and Ann, baptised in Kineton in 1823
For info on the above 1823 baptism her father William’s occupation is a Miller there’s a marriage in 1850 for Mary Ann Mumford to Charles Wilcox her father William’s occupation is a Miller
All I can say for sure is that her dad was a ‘William Mumford’
What is her fathers occupation on her marriage certificate.
William’s occupation is a labourer
there is an ‘Ann Mumford’ listed in the 1841 census for Kineton
There are another two Ann Mumford’s born c1826 in Warwickshire on 1841 census both have occ F.S (female servant)
Bear Lane, Harborne, Kings Norton, Staffordshire & Warwickshire and Wellesbourne Hastings, Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire
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There's a William and Mary Mumford baptising children in Balsall in the 1820s and 30s. Not found an Ann, though. He's a farmer. They live in Hampton In Arden
I had a look at William and Mary as they certainly fit the dates and location. Sadly trawling through baptisms for Hampton In Arden, I didn't find any Mumford's before Sarah. Most of the Mumford children appear to have stayed with their parents into adulthood, making Ann an anomaly.
Ancestry suggests that Ann Mumford maybe ‘Mary Ann Mumford’, parents William and Ann, baptised in Kineton in 1823
For info on the above 1823 baptism her father William’s occupation is a Miller there’s a marriage in 1850 for Mary Ann Mumford to Charles Wilcox her father William’s occupation is a Miller
All I can say for sure is that her dad was a ‘William Mumford’
What is her fathers occupation on her marriage certificate.
William’s occupation is a labourer
there is an ‘Ann Mumford’ listed in the 1841 census for Kineton
There are another two Ann Mumford’s born c1826 in Warwickshire on 1841 census both have occ F.S (female servant)
Bear Lane, Harborne, Kings Norton, Staffordshire & Warwickshire and Wellesbourne Hastings, Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire
That's excellent - I think we can safely exclude the Mumford's from Kineton. A step closer!
Yes William is listed as a labourer.
I think I've seen both Ann Mumford's in the 1841 census - If I remember correctly, one was in Coventry and one was in Warwick. Unfortunately, I don't think either record tells us much, considering they are both servants, though Coventry seems most likely (based on proximity).
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Only one I can find that is a Labourer
1841 Census
Kineton, Warwickshire
William Mumford 60 Ag Lab
William Mumford 15 Ag Lab
The above William appears to be buried 27 Aug 1844 age 64 (FreeREG)
William above may have married Diana STEELEY 25 Mar 1850, Father William a Labourer
1851 William is born c 1821 Kineton
Not that I can find Anns bapt either!
I followed up on Maria BLIZARD the Marriage witness her mn was Lowe so likely Josephs sister.
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Hi
Christenings for William and Mary of Balsall
Mary 17.9.1815 at Tanworth in Arden laborer of Nuthurst (possibly dying 1828 Stratford on A)
Thomas born 1.2.1818 bapt 4.10.1821 at St Martins Birmingham but living Solihull labourer (moves to Gloucestershire 1864 onwards)
Elizabeth 11.6.1824 at Solihull of Shelley Green labourer
Sarah 19.6.1828 Hampton in Arden farmer Balsall
William 9.10.1831 Temple Balsall labourer
Can't see Charlotte or Henry.
Marriage looks like William Mumford and Mary Fardoe 19.5.1815 St Martins Birmingham
wit John and Sarah Billingsley
So there is a gap 1818-1824 between their children.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi
Christenings for William and Mary of Balsall
Mary 17.9.1815 at Tanworth in Arden laborer of Nuthurst (possibly dying 1828 Stratford on A)
Thomas born 1.2.1818 bapt 4.10.1821 at St Martins Birmingham but living Solihull labourer (moves to Gloucestershire 1864 onwards)
Elizabeth 11.6.1824 at Solihull of Shelley Green labourer
Sarah 19.6.1828 Hampton in Arden farmer Balsall
William 9.10.1831 Temple Balsall labourer
Can't see Charlotte or Henry.
Marriage looks like William Mumford and Mary Fardoe 19.5.1815 St Martins Birmingham
wit John and Sarah Billingsley
So there is a gap 1818-1824 between their children.
Ciderdrinker
Interesting! I have Ann with an estimated birth of 1826 in 1851 census, 1822 in 1861 census. Sadly the marriage cert only lists 'of full age'. On the marriage cert in 1850 Ann's profession is a Servant. I don't have Ann in the 1841 census, so may be it's time I looked for that but honestly she'll probably be a Servant somewhere.
If the information I have on Joseph is correct, he was 38 when he married. So I can see Ann fitting in the gap of William and Mary Mumford
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Slow progress here..
The William Mumford we're currently looking is the same one featured in the Leamington Spa Courier - 6th April 1844, confirming he had been a farmer at Park Corner "for some years, at the rent of £80".
Park Corner is just south of Temple Balsall, likely where Park Corner Nurseries, Temple Ln, Solihull B93 0AW is now. Likely called 'Park Corner' as it once was the corner of the 'Park' owned by Chadwick Manor.
Distance between Park Corner and Meer End is roughly 3.7 miles (where W Mumford and J Lowe were living in the 1851 census) - remembering the marriage was in 1850.
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Could she have been named Hannah ???
There is this baptism in Wroxhall but year 1829 father named William occ Labourer
From GENUKI
"WROXHALL, a parish in the Snitterfield division of Barlichway hundred, county Warwick, 6 miles N.W. of Warwick, and 4 from Kenilworth railway station........
Joseph & Ann Lowe have children William & Fanny in 1861 - could Fanny be named after a member of Ann's family? Joseph & Ann (born c1826) are with Joseph Lowe's parents William & Ann in 1851
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Could she have been named Hannah ???
There is this baptism in Wroxhall but year 1829 father named William occ Labourer
From GENUKI
"WROXHALL, a parish in the Snitterfield division of Barlichway hundred, county Warwick, 6 miles N.W. of Warwick, and 4 from Kenilworth railway station........
Joseph & Ann Lowe have children William & Fanny in 1861 - could Fanny be named after a member of Ann's family? Joseph & Ann (born c1826) are with Joseph Lowe's parents William & Ann in 1851
Possibly. I'm trying to keep an open mind here as I don't have Ann's baptism or death record, so I feel there must be something we're missing..
William (Labourer) would fit the marriage cert too. The William of Balsall is a farmer. However, on the 1851 & 1861 census it does state birthplace as Balsall on both.
It's funny you mention Fanny, she's listed on 1861 census with Joseph, Ann and William est. dob of 1856 but there's also a Fanny with the same estimated dob (1856) living with the William and Mary in the 1861 census with a relation 'granddaughter', birthplace Balsall. I doubt they are the same person? But odd that it matches.
I assumed Joseph & Mary's Fanny moved to Meriden, which is where I have her 1871 census as a servant, born Balsall, estimated dob. 1855 employer Mary Ward (68) grocer. The Fanny with William/Mary is still with them in the 1871 census. Might be worth looking at in greater detail.
I had a look for a Hannah Lowe death, or any female Lowe death in the district of Solihull between 1861 and 1871 in fact with no real results. May be her name was Fanny and not Ann, just clutching at straws now.
I'm descended from William Lowe, my grandfather told me a story about him, which I think is quite strange given he was born in 1853!
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One of the obvious things I forgot to mention about the above is that one is 'Fanny MUMFORD' and one is 'Fanny LOWE', hence why I didn't think they were the same person. I'll look for a Fanny MUMFORD b. 1856 Balsall, to rule it out.
Update
Not the same person. Fanny MUMFORD was the illegitimate child of Charlotte MUMFORD prior to her marriage to John Whorwood in 1861.
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Slow progress here..
The William Mumford we're currently looking is the same one featured in the Leamington Spa Courier - 6th April 1844, confirming he had been a farmer at Park Corner "for some years, at the rent of £80".
Park Corner is just south of Temple Balsall, likely where Park Corner Nurseries, Temple Ln, Solihull B93 0AW is now. Likely called 'Park Corner' as it once was the corner of the 'Park' owned by Chadwick Manor.
Distance between Park Corner and Meer End is roughly 3.7 miles (where W Mumford and J Lowe were living in the 1851 census) - remembering the marriage was in 1850.
Update
I've found Park Corner, parish of Balsall, in the 1861 census, there's a William Mumford, wife Mary, born Edgbaston, birth year around 1794, farmer of 25 acres. Working it back, William and his family are also living in Balsall in the 1841/1851 census.
Confirmed children are
Elizabeth b. 1824
Sarah b. 1829
William b. 1831
Charlotte b. 1834
Henry b. 1836
If we take Ciderdrinker's information we may be able to say marriage is to Mary Fardoe 1815, we can probably add Mary b. 1815 and Thomas b. 1818. Not sure how they were able to connect those two extra baptisms.
William's wife Mary has a birthplace of Tanworth, which aligns with daughter Mary's birth in 1815.
William dies March 1878 his wife Mary dies March 1867.
Not found William or Mary's parents yet. Still shaky on confirming they're Ann's parents but is a solid guess I suppose.