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Title: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: nick1979 on Wednesday 11 May 22 16:22 BST (UK)
Hello, I need a little help with the above being my 3rd great grandparents. (Chesterfield, Derby) They had Mary Ann Kelly who married a William j Olrog (my 2nd great grandparents).
My question is - Is there more than one Patrick Kelly living in Chesterfield at this time as i have conflicting certs. Some say Patrick was a Tailor and some say beer house keeper of 'the hour glass'
The 1861c has him as a beer house keeper and his father in law & mother in law both living with him & Hannah but im just not sure it all tallies up? Please see attached and use link to my tree.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tools/tree/112268186/invitees/accept?inviteId=938299ff-3a3d-4680-bb2f-a5f475514117
Title: Re: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: spendlove on Wednesday 11 May 22 20:57 BST (UK)
Hi,

Your connection does not work, and not sure what you mean by conflicting certificates.

When he marries Hannah Turner 8.9.1850 Chesterfield he is a Labourer.

If you follow them through the various census he is listed as either Labourer or Beer House Keeper.

What certificate do you have which states Tailor?
Title: Re: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 11 May 22 21:13 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

When & where did Mary Ann Kelly marry William J Olrog?

The 1881 census shows she was born in Cork approx 1854
Title: Re: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 11 May 22 21:29 BST (UK)
Marriage

Q4 1875
Whitechapel  Vol 1c p 919

Mary Ann Kelly
James Olroge
Jeremiah Sullivan
Hannah Maria Tozer

Added

Marriage - 23 Nov 1875    St Mark, Goodman´s Fields, Tower Hamlets

His father John, sugar boiler
Her father Patrick,  tailor

Witnesses - Jeremiah and Ellen Daly
Title: Re: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 11 May 22 21:33 BST (UK)
Son Patrick's birth is registered as Olroge & 1881 entry is Hobrog??  Dtr Hannah is Olrog
Title: Re: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 11 May 22 21:42 BST (UK)
1871 has a Patrick Kelly occ tailor b 1831 Ireland  - dtr Mary Ann b Ireland - family in London

1871 ref RG10 piece 142 folio 56 Page 18

Youngest dtr was b Ireland 1857 - I think you have the wrong 1861 entry & the wrong marriage
Title: Re: PATRICK KELLY 1831 - 1885 * HANNAH TURNER 1830 - 1902
Post by: sugarbakers on Thursday 12 May 22 19:42 BST (UK)
Quote from: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 11 May 22 21:29 BST (UK)
Marriage

Q4 1875
Whitechapel  Vol 1c p 919

Mary Ann Kelly
James Olroge
Jeremiah Sullivan
Hannah Maria Tozer

Added

Marriage - 23 Nov 1875    St Mark, Goodman´s Fields, Tower Hamlets

His father John, sugar boiler
Her father Patrick,  tailor

Witnesses - Jeremiah and Ellen Daly

John Olrog, the father, was from Hanover, Germany - a sugar baker/sugar boiler by trade. Earliest I have is the bpt of a daughter in Liverpool 1835, then in Liverpool 1841 census. 
1842 bpt of a son in East End of London; 1851, 1861 census in London; then marriages of 3 sons 1873-75, including James.
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