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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Kazlou on Tuesday 10 May 22 12:55 BST (UK)
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Hi all
It's an old one - pre birth registrations!
Looking for any assistance or locating of baptism or parents of Alexander Tilley b around 1807 in Wapping and died 1866 in St Lukes. Shoemaker, married Sarah Humphreys 1830.
Children - Alexander William, William Henry, Sarah, John, JJohn Edward, Richard, Edward Richard, Elizabeth, Habbakuk(?) Abigail.
Cannot find any info on parents and accept may not be possible but one last try!
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If he is the March qtr 1867 death in Shoreditch - he was 67 giving a birthyear around 1800
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May be no connection but an Alexander Tilley b 1766 was buried 6.2.1825 at St Giles without Cripplegate
Not the most common of names😀
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HI carol
The death I have is from the Non Conformist and Non Parochial Register - Alexander Tilley, 55, Burial 15 Jan 1866 Hackney. Gives a birth date of 1811 but 1851 and 1861 cesus record give variations between 1807 - 1810.
Poor Law records also have him at around 1807 to 1808.
Second comment may possibly be a father, seems to be a family name of Alexander as his first son was also given that name - worth a look! Thank you :)
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There is no Alexander Tilley death in 1866 but I can see the burial entry. In 1861 he is 55 & shown as married but living alone occ porter
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Alexander Tilley aged 67 was admitted to the Holborn WH 4.1.1867 & died 6.1.1867
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There is no Alexander Tilley death in 1866 but I can see the burial entry. In 1861 he is 55 & shown as married but living alone occ porter
Yes, that's him (to the best of my knowledge!). Have the census and if I have things correctly his wife died the year before (1860) and his older children had all left. The later children all seem to have died in infancy.
I couldn't find a death either so have to assume it was the same year I suppose.
Whilst they seem to have had all their children baptized, there's nothing for him in terms of birth - same for his wife. Whilst I have the 1851 and 61 census, again, can't find anything for 1841. Complete mystery!! ??? ???
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Alexander Tilley aged 67 was admitted to the Holborn WH 4.1.1867 & died 6.1.1867
Now I'm totally confused!! Starting to think there is more than one Alexander Tilley.......
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No - the burial register has the wrong year. There is a burial for a 17yr old Walter Henry Turner on the same page showing a burial on 13.1.1866 but he died March qtr 1867. Think they forgot to acknowledge the New Year hence 1866 when it should be 1867
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No - the burial register has the wrong year. There is a burial for a 17yr old Walter Henry Turner on the same page showing a burial on 13.1.1866 but he died March qtr 1867. Think they forgot to acknowledge the New Year hence 1866 when it should be 1867
Yes - I can see that now :) Interesting that the burial record gives his home address when he died in the workhouse though - or perhaps a relatives address ( i have a few mentions of Blue Anchor Alley).
I can update that - thank you!
Now just to see if there is any birth/parents information. They were in the workhouse as children and it does say discharged with parents - but annoyingly doesn't list them :(
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May be no connection but an Alexander Tilley b 1766 was buried 6.2.1825 at St Giles without Cripplegate
Not the most common of names😀
Similarly, there's a marriage at Wapping, 11 June 1804
Alexander Tilley + Elizabeth Dukes
Both single, of the parish, and they marked.
Alexander William and William Henry were born before Alexander Tilley and Sarah Humphreys married.
Both baptized at St Giles Cripplegate (1827, 1829)
Just an observation!
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Children - Alexander William, William Henry, Sarah, John, John Edward, Richard, Edward Richard, Elizabeth, Habbakuk(?) Abigail
Double baptism at St Thomas Charterhouse, 15 Nov 1849
Elizabeth, born 31 Jan 1845
Habakkuk, son of Alexander + Sarah Tilley
Born 26 Aug 1849
8 Willis Ct
Father a Shoe maker
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996G-GFLW
Likely birth reg of Elizabeth
TILLY, ELIZABETH SARAH
Mother's Maiden Surname: HUMPHRIS
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 306
But in 1849 there is no Habakkuk, instead
TILLEY, ELIZA (female)
Mother's Maiden Surname: HUMPHREYS
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION Volume 02 Page 227
And in the 1851 census, no Habbakuk or Eliza, but a daughter Abigail, age 1.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6C-HY2
Confusing!
There was a birth reg in 1847
TILLEY, ABIGAIL ELIZA
Mother's Maiden Surname: HUMPHREYS
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION Volume 02 Page 214
And a death
TILLY, ABIGAIL ELIZA
Age at Death (in years): 1
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 262
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The discharge from the workhouse dated 1814 has a reference - father in folio 73
Did you notice it.
In 1813 the children are listed as being of St George Middlesex
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Cannot prove it but the children in the workhouse 1813
Elizabeth age 8 years
Alexander age 6 yrs 6 months
John age 4 yrs 1 month
Sarah age 1 yr 4 months
are they the children of Alexander Tilley (1780)and Elizabeth Dukes married 11 June 1804 at Wapping.
His parents could be *Alexander Tilley (1751)married Elizabeth Polton 1 March 1779 at St Dunstan Stepney.
possible child Alexander born 1780.
Then one more generation
Alexander Tilley who married Elizabeth Pollard 19 August 1749 at Fleet. (he was a Potter)
In her deposition re Poor Laws she says they married 1749 at Fleet and she has a son *Alexander age about 30 (Ref: London Lives under Alexander Tilley 1788)
They had
Elizabeth bap 8 July 1750 at St John Wapping
*Alexander bap 15 December 1751 at St John Wapping
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May be no connection but an Alexander Tilley b 1766 was buried 6.2.1825 at St Giles without Cripplegate
Not the most common of names😀
Similarly, there's a marriage at Wapping, 11 June 1804
Alexander Tilley + Elizabeth Dukes
Both single, of the parish, and they marked.
Alexander William and William Henry were born before Alexander Tilley and Sarah Humphreys married.
Both baptized at St Giles Cripplegate (1827, 1829)
Just an observation!
Thant's an interesting one for the parents! Will investigate further - thank you.
On the first two children, yes, I had noticed that. Both baptisms give mother's name as Sarah so on the balance of probabilities and in the absence of another marriage for Alexander senior I'm thinking it is the same parents.
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Cannot prove it but the children in the workhouse 1813
Elizabeth age 8 years
Alexander age 6 yrs 6 months
John age 4 yrs 1 month
Sarah age 1 yr 4 months
are they the children of Alexander Tilley and Elizabeth Dukes married 11 June 1804 at Wapping.
His parents could be *Alexander Tilley married Elizabeth Polton 1 March 1779 at St Dunstan Stepney.
possible child Alexander born 1780.
Then one more generation
Alexander Tilley who married Elizabeth Pollard 19 August 1749 at Fleet.
In her deposition re Poor Laws she says they married 1749 at Fleet and she has a son Alexander age about 30
They had
Elizabeth bap 8 July 1750 at St John Wapping
*Alexander bap 15 December 1751 at St John Wapping
I believe that the workhouse children are the family I am looking for as everything ties in - sometimes that's the best you can do!
The additional information is really helpful - can I ask what the source is of the information on the two previous generations?
Thanks so much for helping :)
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Scrolling through ancestry.com for the past 2 hours and London Lives 1690-1800.
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Scrolling through ancestry.com for the past 2 hours and London Lives 1690-1800.
Thanks amondg - I will re-visit Ancestry, don't recall these ever coming up when I've looked before. Appreciated.
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I updated my post.
To be honest after reading Elizabeth statement in 1788 re settlement in St. Botolphs. I looked to see if I could verify it. Fortunately I could using ancestry and worked forward connecting the families.
For a time they were non conformist so more problematic finding baptisms.
Other sites may have more information.