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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: daisy3 on Friday 06 May 22 23:51 BST (UK)
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Hoping someone can help shed some light on what happened to my uncle George Frost. He was born in Liverpool 20/4/1904, was taken off the street and put into an industrial school as a child for vagrancy as where his two brothers, I believe the orphanage/industrial school was in Beacon Lane . He remained there until he was sixteen and that was the last sighting the family ever had of him. I have now found a record of him in the UK Calendar of prisioners 1868/1929 where he was charged by the Liverpool police for stealing a coconut, 21st Sept 1920, was tried at Salford bough court the offence was no visable means of support, he was sentenced to three years in a borstal institution. I have contacted Salford archives but unfortunately the court records for that year 1920 are missing. I was told it is very likely the borstal in question would probably be somewhere in the South of England. Without this information it is impossible to find out what happened to this poor man. If anyone can suggest where I go from here I would be most grateful. I have done all the usual searches but it's a needle in a haystack.
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Related thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857833.msg7264712#msg7264712
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Have you looked for him on the 1921 census? If he was sentenced to 3yrs in 1920 he should be on the 1921
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Apologies I didn't realize I had previously posted this topic on this forum.
Regards Daisy
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Thanks Carol, I'm on Ancestry so I don't have access but it looks like my only option.
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FindMyPast and only by pay per view - not membership. You can do a free search of the index which will at least pinpoint the area
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He was born in Liverpool 20/4/1904
No birth reg on freebmd
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Thank you Carole,I will certainly try the index as you have suggested, possibly the birth date given is the baptism date that I have. Many thanks.
Daisy
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GRO online has no birth reg for a George Frost mmn Scott from 1901 -1911
William Frost & Catherine Scott married 1894
Where is George in 1911?
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Wonder if this is George Frost in the 1921 census. He is described as "inmate". No other names listed when hovering over the Image icon, so it's probably the Convict Prison at Borstal.
Name: George Frost
Born: 1904 Liverpool, Lancashire
Location: St Margaret Intra, Medway, Kent
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William Frost & Catherine Scott married 1894
Frost/Scott births in Liverpool
William Thomas 1895
Joseph 1896
Richard Albert 1898
Mary 1900
Alice 1909
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Catholic baptism Liverpool
Parents William Frost and Catherine nee Scott
William Thomas born 17 January 1895
Richard Albert born 1 November 1897
Mary (Marie) born 18 January 1900
Arthur born 10 September 1902
*George born 20 April 1904
Edward born 22 June 1906
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Joseph 1896 must be another Frost/Scott family as is Alice 1909
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Hi,
Liverpool Catholic Baptism at Sacred Heart - Georgius Frost (birth 20 April 1904) baptised 3 May 1904 - Parents Gulielmi and Catherinae Scott.
Baptism Number 153 - Address 4 Albert Terrace.
Alan
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No other Frost/Scott marriage in Lancs 1881-1901
No birth reg for Arthur b 1902 or Edward b 1906
Births from GRO online
FROST, JOSEPH SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 269
FROST, RICHARD ALBERT SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 242
FROST, WILLIAM THOMAS SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 86
FROST, ALICE SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 559
Deaths
Deaths Dec 1896
Frost Joseph 0 W. Derby 8b 215
Any trace of family in 1901 or 1911?
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Marriage Parish Church of St Peter Liverpool 11.11.1894
William Frost 21 labourer - father William Frost - painter
Catherine Scott 19 spinster - father Thomas Scott - labourer
Witnesses William Hutchinson & Margaret Agnes Scott
1881 entry shows William aged 6 b Liverpool - parents William (occ painter) b Manchester & Mary b Liverpool
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1901 - all b Liverpool
William Frost 24 bricklayers labourer
Catherine 23
Thomas 6
Richard 3
Mary 1
Piece 3493 Folio 10 Page12
1911 indexed as TROST - all b Liverpool
William Frost 37
Catherine Ann 36
Thomas William 16
Richard Albert 13
Mary 11
Arthur 9
George 6
Edward 4
Alice 1
Piece 22608
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Wonder if this is George Frost in the 1921 census. He is described as "inmate". No other names listed when hovering over the Image icon, so it's probably the Convict Prison at Borstal.
Name: George Frost
Born: 1904 Liverpool, Lancashire
Location: St Margaret Intra, Medway, Kent
The original Borstal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borstal,_Rochester
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/BorstalBI/
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May be a red herring but in Staffs in 1939 is a George Frost born 24 April 1905.
With him is Catherine Frost age 65 (1874)
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Thank you all for your input, once again the Rootschat community has com up trumps, i have since discovered George entered the orphanage in 1912 aged 8 years, so just after the 1911 census. i will do some research on the information from the 1921 census which has been a great starting point. Also the possibility of the Staffs connection. This has been a family mystery since the 1920s so thank you all once again for your help.
Regards Daisy