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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Muflon1976 on Thursday 05 May 22 09:54 BST (UK)
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Hi Everybody
Might somebody can give me some advice.I'm looking for information about Anna Barna.
Birth Name : Anna Braun name changed in 1911 in Budapest Hungary.
Birth date : 1901 August 24
Birth Place : Budapest Hungary
Mother: Janka Kohn
Father : Kalman Braun
Nationality: by birth Hungarian but when she entered the USA she was stateless
She arrived to the US 1946 October used the name Anna Barna in her passenger card and lived in New York City.
I'm looking for any information but I have two particular questions.
Her Alien file number 6464756 but I did not find any reference for this in National Archives online catalogue. Any way to see this file exist ? I can request an index search but before I do that I thought might ask around.
From oral history I know she was murdered in New York in the 1960's. I did not find any death certificate or any newspaper reference which might support this.Any idea might where can find out about a murder in New York city ?
Thanks
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She arrived to the US 1946 October used the name Anna Barna in her passenger card and lived in New York City.
According to the passenger list, Anna was going to a friend in Poughkeepsie, NY.
Line 6 -Images 1088-1089
Passenger List: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24GT-K39
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Thanks
Yes I follow up that lead and I found Estella Dobo's grandkids. They did not know anything about Anna Barna.
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Index to petitions for naturalization in New York City.
Anna Barna 24 Aug 1901 - Aged 50 years
Naturalization Date 11 Feb 1952 - Residence New York, New York Location of Court New York Southern District. Residing 131 W 15 th Street NY. Alien Redg. 6464756
1950 census - New York.
Anna Barna - 1901 Hungary - aged 49 years - never married. Head of house. Marked "U" equals unable to work.
Sandra
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Thank you. I did not find her naturalisation anywhere . Or the 1952 are not available yet ? I need to double check this. Thanks
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Wonder if she is the Anna Barna (photographer) mentioned in this article.
https://culture.hu/us/new-york/articles/ask-the-curator:-bringing-hungarian-female-photographers-to-the-fore
Murder mentioned here.
https://vintagenewsdaily.com/creepy-dolls-photographed-by-anna-barna-in-the-1930s/
Sandra
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Yes its the same Anna. It's the photographer.
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Background - In the 1953-1954 telephone directory Anna Barna’s address changes to 200 West 21st Street. Still in the postal code of 11, 200 West 21st Street is situated at
the southwest corner of Seventh Avenue. Her telephone number remained OR5-6228, a number she also retained when she subsequently moved to 220 West 21st Street
in 1954-1955, a seven-story building erected in 1920. A draft registration record reveals that André and Elizabeth Kertész lived at 152 West 20th Street in the early 1940s,
possibly until their move to 31 East 12th Street in 1944, which was followed by their transition to 2 Fifth Avenue in 1952. Is it a coincidence that Anna Barna lived in such
proximity? Today both 200 and 220 West 21st Street maintain their original residential status, with the former having commercial businesses on the ground floor. The last listing for Anna Barna in the New York telephone book is at the 220 West 21st Street address, which appears in the 1964-1965 directory. With this clue in hand, a record of the death on November 21, 1964, of a woman named Anna Barna was brought to light in the 1964 volume Deaths Reported in the City of New York. Anna Barna is a relatively common name. Was it our Anna Barna? The age of death listed in
the entry is 67, but the date of birth stated on the petition of naturalization for the Anna Barna we are seeking is August 24, 1901, which would have made her age 64 in November of 1964. The borough of the recorded death is Queens, not Manhattan. A medical examiner’s case
number is not stated, which if she was murdered, as per André Kertész’s assertion, a medical examiner’s report would seem warranted. etc etc
https://vintage.hu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/BARNA.pdf
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Yes I read this before and its a bit help but the Anna Barna died in 1964 November 21. in Queens its not her . That Anna Barna born 1883. The Anna Barna Im looking for born in 1901.I can rule out this Anna Barna death's the writer of this catalogue talking about it. I dont see any Anna Barnas death fit the photographer Anna Barna.
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The background was to try and assist other researchers with info to help.
Sandra
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Most deaths recorded on the Social Security Death Index began about 1962. This might be an indication that the death was before that year ??
These were the choices for that birth date..............
Anna M. McNamara
24 Aug 1901 17 Dec 1992 Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA
Anna Raspini
24 Aug 1901 Oct 1982 Flushing, Queens, New York, USA
Anna Trovato
24 Aug 1901 Jul 1977 Bayport, Suffolk, New York, USA
Anna Vaughan
24 Aug 1901 Sep 1974 New York, New York, New York, USA
Anna Bropson
24 Aug 1901 6 Jun 1988 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
Anna Zwick
24 Aug 1901 28 Jun 2005 Suwanee, Gwinnett, Georgia
Sandra
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Thanks.
My guess she died between 1955-1962 but this is just guess. She was not alive in 1964 according the oral history. She could married and moved and this oral history is not true at all ?
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Hi Muflon1976
Could you lat me know, please, where do you find the information that Anna Braun change her name in Anna Barna ??
Thanks
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Hi
I have successfully identified the relevant material in an archival collection in Budapest.
Best
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Hi
Thanks a lot
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Bonjour,
Je suis commissaire d'exposition en préparation d'Anna Barna. Je cherche des articles sur elle ou des photos prises par elle, parus dans la presse americaine.
Merci pour vos aides
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Bonjour,
Je suis commissaire d'exposition en préparation d'Anna Barna. Je cherche des articles sur elle ou des photos prises par elle, parus dans la presse americaine.
Merci pour vos aides
Since my high school French has mostly been forgotten and for the benefit of any other non-French speakers, I ran this through Google Translate:
"Hello,
I am the curator of an Anna Barna exhibition. I am looking for articles about her or photographs taken by her that have appeared in the American press.
Thank you for your help."
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A l'attention de Muflon1976! Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse. Malheureusement, je n'ai pas le droit de vous répondre directement. Je ne sais pas pourquoi, je suis nouvelle sur ce site. Je suis l'auteur du livre que vous avez mentionné. J'ai beaucoup d'information sur Anna Barna mais je ne sais preque rien sur sa vie à New York. Dernièrement quelques de ses photos étaient exposées au Virginia Museum of Fine Arts et National Gallery of Art à Washington: American, born Hungary: Kertész, Capa, and the Hungarian American Photographic Legacy. Dans la discussion j'ai trouvé cette information :"D'après la liste des passagers, Anna se rendait chez une amie à Poughkeepsie, dans l'État de New York." Sur la liste des passagers je ne pas trouvé cette information. Pouvez-vous confirmer cette information?
Bien à vous
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Jormin, new members must make at least two postings before being allowed to use the PM (personal message) facility. Now that you have 2 posts, it should work for you. See Help-Page for further information: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
The passenger list that referred to the friend living in Poughkeepsie can be seen here - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24GT-K39?lang=en The mention of the friend is on the second page if you click on the arrow to the right on the image. If you don't have an account on Family Search, it's free to make.
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Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse! J'ai trouvé l'infromation demandée sur la liste des passagers. Vous m'avez donné une aide précieuse. L'amie mentionnée est la femme de Ferenc Dobo.
https://punkt.hu/en/2024/06/30/a-previously-unknown-hungarian-related-photo-collection-discovered-in-america-interview-with-michael-dobo/
Je suis aussi à vos dispositions
Bien à vous
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Vous vous trompez complètement. Le manifeste de passagers mentionne Estelle E. Dobo, qui habitait à Poughkeepsie.
La femme de Ferenc Dobo s’appelait Margaret, et ils vivaient à New York.
Vous n’avez pas tort au sujet du fait que Ferenc Dobo connaissait Anna Barna à Paris et à New York, mais le nom Dobo figurant sur le manifeste de passagers n’appartient pas à la famille de Ferenc Dobo.
Je connais très bien l’histoire de la famille Dobo, donc vous faites clairement erreur à ce sujet.
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Merci pour votre retour.
Vous avez raison. Il s'agit de la femme de Dr. Stephen Dobo psychiatre. Cependant il reste un point à clarifier car Ferenc avait un frère plus jeune que lui et s'appelait Istvan.