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Title: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 02 May 22 15:35 BST (UK)
John Bott was born in 1848 in Fulford, Staffordshire, his father, Jeremiah, was 31 and his mother, Charlotte, was 22. He married Margaret Williams on 14 September 1874 in Longton, Staffordshire. They had three children during their marriage
1881
30 Clarks Lane Margaret Williams Head Widow 44 1837 Female Laundress Dawles Glamorgan Wales
30 Clarks Lane William Williams Son 4 1877 Male
geoff
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 02 May 22 15:45 BST (UK)
If they married in 1874 she would be Margaret Bott - not Margaret Williams.  Are you sure you have the right 1881 entry?

GRO online shows only 2 children - Sydney 1874 & William Thomas 1877

If John was b 1848 &  Margaret 1837 - she was 11yrs older than him?
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 02 May 22 15:53 BST (UK)
nona 1872 sydney  1874 william 1877 all bott
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 02 May 22 16:04 BST (UK)
The marriage has them both the same age - born 1848 per the transcription.

I see a Margaret Williams widow with 3 Williams children in 1881 but it could be she and John simply split up and she reverted to her maiden name? 

Any sign of John Bott in 1881 or afterwards?
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 02 May 22 16:08 BST (UK)
Marriage 1874 - Both 26.  Nona born before marriage - GRO online confirms mmn Williams

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXFN-2TS

Where is John in 1851 & 1871.  1861 b Stone - 13yr old servant.  No 1851 with parents Jeremiah & Charlotte.

What was his occupation on the marriage cert or childrens birth certs?  If a mariner - he may have died at sea
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 02 May 22 16:13 BST (UK)
The one with birthplace Stone 1848 seems to have a wife Alice in 1881/1891 so is this a different chap :-\

John Bott and Alice Bott marriage in Sep 1880 Stone.

What occupation does the husband of Margaret have do we know?
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: softly softly on Monday 02 May 22 16:23 BST (UK)
1851 census, all children have mmn Tansley.


Piece:   2000
Folio:   238
Page Number:   8
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Jeremiah Boll   30
Charlotte Boll   26
Ann Boll   6
John Boll   3
Thomas Boll   10 Mo
Ann Boll   10

Boll on Ancestry.

John

Added, Sorry Carole, see you have already posted.
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 02 May 22 16:33 BST (UK)
The 1851 entry posted by John is correct but somebody has notified an amendment back in 2015 saying the surname is BALL hence problem finding the entry.  There should be an Emma b 1846 per GRO online
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 02 May 22 16:56 BST (UK)
Thank you I don't have the 1861 stone entry, 1861 I have he is not listed with his parents.
can you send me that link or details please Thanks
Otherwise all agreed thanks Geoff
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 02 May 22 16:59 BST (UK)
1861 Kibblestone Jerimiah no wife. Sorry this is the 1881
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Jeremiah Bott   63
Joseph Bott   22
Mary E. Bott   15
Geoff
1861 LODGER
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Samuel Davies   33
Jane Davies   32
Jane Davies   6
Emily Davies   5
Sarah Ann Davies   3
John H Davies   1/12
Mary Deaken   15
Jeremiah Bott   43
Joseph Turner   23
James Radcliffe   40
Ann Radcliffe   22
John H Radcliffe   10

Name:   Jeremiah Bott
Age:   43
Estimated Birth Year:   1818
Relation:   Lodger
Gender:   Male
Where Born:   Stone, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish:   Wem
Title: Re: trouble finding death 1877- 1881
Post by: geoff3d on Tuesday 03 May 22 18:59 BST (UK)
more found another son
Eli Bott
1881–1916
BIRTH JULY 1881 • Willenhall, Staffordshire, England
DEATH 21 NOV 1916 • France & Flanders
1891
Name Eli Bott Gender Male Age 10 Relationship
Inmate Birth Year1881 Workhouse
Where was Father?