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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: gjervis on Thursday 21 April 22 14:08 BST (UK)
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Hepzibah Smith married Thomas Holland in 1842 in Hales Lincolnshire and had two children, Samuel and Sarah.
With a forename like that I should be an interesting story and it would helpful if you could aid me in missing apparences in the census's in the title to this topic.
Many thanks
Graham
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What makes you believe she's alive 1881+?
Or even in Lincolnshire?
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Easily findable on Familysearch.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/linker?ark=/ark:/61903/1:1:M7B4-JWC&id=9KC1-QL1&hinting=/tree/person/details/
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Her husband was John Holland, not Thomas.
Annette
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and had two children, Samuel and Sarah.
Born when & where? Where & when was she born ? Where & when was John born?
Hepzibah Holland 1871,1891,1901,1911
That's a lot of censuses you say you haven't found her in? If she married in 1842 - she was probably born around 1820 ish so by 1911 would be around 90 - so have you found a death for her to support your request?
Also - if you have her in 1851 & 1861 - it would be helpful if you posted full details of the entry as you haven't given any relevant info about any of the family apart from names
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What happened in 1881 to be missing from your list - where did you find her there?
Is this the one you have?
Hepzibah Holland 57 widow charwoman born Heckington
Mary Emma Holland 8 grand daughter born Pointon
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Many Thanks. I thought that there might be an interesting back story as George Eliot's 1861 novel "Silas Marner" had a character called Hepzibah.
Graham
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Many Thanks. I thought that there might be an interesting back story as George Eliot's 1861 novel "Silas Marner" had a character called Hepzibah.
So nothing to do with Family History - but a lot of our time wasted here ::)
And did Eliots character marry John Holland in Lincolnshire 1842 & have 2 children? I think not so where did that come from??
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I must be losing my marbles !!
Is he looking for a "real" person ? Or is it just a story?
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What sort of interesting back story ???
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Not sure until you find one. There is also a Hepzibah Smith in Harry Potter and there might have been some interest about why such an unusual forename was chosen as a witch in the half blood prince.
Thanks again it seems that the Smith family was pretty conventual.
graham
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such an unusual forename
Hepzibah is an unusual forename to our ears, but being a Biblical name was extremely common in the 18th and 19th centuries - just check it out on freeBMD :)
I think it's rather unlikely that that there would be an significant 'back story' relating to the family you mention.
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Sorry if I have caused you annoyance but I do see family history as particularly about stories of our ancestors in what they thought about and reacted to in reports in news papers, gossip in the local and the hardships they had to endure.
I will think twice before using Rootschat without explaining about why I post up requests in the future.
Graham
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1871 she is with John and Sarah in Pointon, 1891 she is a visitor in Pointon, 1901 she is living alone in Pointon.
Death
Hephzibah Holland 85
Dec 1908 Bourne
Lincolnshire Workhouse Deaths
Hepzebah Holland 85
1908
admitted from Pointon, buried at Pointon
cause of death Cerebral hem'ge
John's death ?
Death
John Holland 57
Mar 1881 Bourne
Burial
John Holland 57
12th February 1881
Sempringham
abode Pointon
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I didn`t get what you were looking for.
There was a tv series in the 70s called Carrie`s War; there was an Hepzibah in "that".
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Sorry if I have caused you annoyance but I do see family history as particularly about stories of our ancestors in what they thought about and reacted to in reports in news papers, gossip in the local and the hardships they had to endure.
I will think twice before using Rootschat without explaining about why I post up requests in the future.
From my earlier reply
And did Eliots character marry John Holland in Lincolnshire 1842 & have 2 children? I think not so where did that come from??
But they are not your ancestors. You appear to have just plucked any marriage off freebmd that had a Hepzibah name then asked us to find them on numerous censuses. I cannot honestly see what you hoped to achieve
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Sorry if I have caused you annoyance but I do see family history as particularly about stories of our ancestors in what they thought about and reacted to in reports in news papers, gossip in the local and the hardships they had to endure.
I will think twice before using Rootschat without explaining about why I post up requests in the future.
Graham
Graham,
Well if you posted a request like this on the "Lighter Side" and just say at the outset that this is to look at the backstory of a character in a novel then I'm sure people would enjoy the fun of it.
All the best,
Trystan
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Sorry if I have caused you annoyance but I do see family history as particularly about stories of our ancestors in what they thought about and reacted to in reports in news papers, gossip in the local and the hardships they had to endure.
I will think twice before using Rootschat without explaining about why I post up requests in the future.
Graham
Graham,
Well if you posted a request like this on the "Lighter Side" and just say at the outset that this is to look at the backstory of a character in a novel then I'm sure people would enjoy the fun of it.
All the best,
Trystan
Have clearly failed to explain myself. Am not writing a novel but researching my wife's extended ancestors in Lincolnshire and John Holland is my wife's 3rd great great uncle. I was intrigued by the forename Hepzibah and wondered what influenced her parents in its choice.
It was never my wish to upset a number of people but I guess we approach our interest in family history from different angles.
best wishes
Graham
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In case you don't have this
Marriage
25th July 1842 Sempringham
John Holland bachelor servant Pointon Samuel Holland cottager
Hephzibah Smith spinster servant Pointon Smith shoemaker
John signed, Hephzibah X
witnesses Elizabeth (can't read surname) & George Walton
Possible Baptisms of her and her siblings
18th August 1822 Mary Ann Smith
4th October 1824 Hephzibah Smith
1st April 1827 Elisabeth Smith
20th September 1829 Sarah Smith
4th December 1831 William Smith
All at Hale Magna
parents Thomas, a shoemaker and Mary of Great Hale
Possible marriage of parents of above children
22nd May 1821 Heckington
Thomas Smith bachelor
Mary Bailey spinster with consent of William Bailey, her only parent and guardian
Thomas X, Mary signed
witness William Bailey signed plus someone who signed on several marriages
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There are trees on Ancestry which have all of the details, including some family photos.
The baptism spelling was Hephzibah - in Great Hale on 4 Oct 1824, daughter of Thomas and Mary Smith nee Bailey, but some censuses miss the first 'h.'
Two of her sisters also biblical names - Bethia and Kezia (one of the photos).
David
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Graham - 98 results for Hepzibah Smith - so it is not as rare as you thought mate
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=smith&prenom=hepzibah&prenom_operateur=or&with_variantes_nom=&with_variantes_nom_conjoint=&with_variantes_prenom=&with_variantes_prenom_conjoint=&size=10
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Looks as if the family had tough times and a sad end for Hepzibah. The Lincolnshire Workhouse also seems to have been quite brutal as this amongst several disciplinary reports sets a disturbing place to spend your last days, quote from Sheffield Daily Telegraph 1901
EXTRAORDINARY SUICIDE IN LINCOLN WORKHOUSE. Yesterday, remarkable case of suicide was innrofj to Lincoln Coroner (Mr. A. Trotter). deceased was Gervase Broughton. who has been an inmate of the Workhouse since 1892. He had twice suffered from stroke,
Thanks for your help.