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Following up on a post last year, I have been able to establish that Patrick my great great grandfather, Patrick Doyle, died on October 25/26 1859 when his ship, the Royal Charter, sank in a storm near Moelfre off the coast of Anglesey. I got this information from the ship's return document - Account of Foreign Going Ship to be delivered to the Shipping Master at [Liverpool]. He was about 38 years old and married to Bridget. They lived in Upper Wolfe street (or Woolf Street) at the time.
I have searched GRO for a death record, using both Anglesey and Liverpool District of Death criteria. I have also looked at newspaper archives but with no success. Any thoughts on where else I could look for a certificate would be greatly appreciated. I'm presuming there was a certificate somewhere as the 1861 census says that Bridget was then a widow.
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The reference is on Findmypast, you need to look under British Armed Forces and Overseas deaths, it covers deaths at Sea, he is listed there.
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British Armed Forces and deaths at sea.
Patrick Doyle
Archive BT 53
Year 1859 Box 003
26 October 1859 page 361
Place Royal Charter
Type At sea.
Home port Liverpool.
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Is that record in lieu of a normal death certificate?
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The source reference is BT153 not BT53. It's the Board of Trade's Register Of Wages And Effects Of Deceased Seamen.
I think I am right in saying that in the circumstances of a ship being lost at sea there was no requirement to register the deaths of those who did not survive.
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Hi
This is connection to previous post, where advise and connections were given
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=851470.18
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Was his body ever recovered? If not maybe that is why there is no death reg.
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A bit about the ship and her sinking here (https://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?585).
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Even if his body was recovered, he may not have been identified.
This link shows an example of the death regs. from that ship, with a link to Anglesey archives at the bottom:
https://www.peoplescollection.wales/items/44470
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Hi,
It is unlikely that the death was registered, however it is certain that he died, as per my previous post
He is listed in:-
Royal charter left Melbourne on 26th August 1859, Patric Doyle who signed up 16th May 1859 in Liverpool so started and sadly ended his voyage in England. His effects, wages, being £12 9s 6d.
The register of effects per Ancestry, show a number of pages of the crew commencing at image 182.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60998/images/engltna1d_bt153-box0003-001_0182?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=41ba5b9a500e40a844f02d8a86310370&pId=89085
Are you not sure that this is the Patrick Doyle for whom you are looking? Hence the reason you need an actual death certificate.
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No this is definitely "my" Patrick Doyle. I was curious as to whether there would be an official death certificate as there would be for a normal death on land or was there just the records I mentioned above.