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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Sutherland => Topic started by: dogtired on Monday 18 April 22 13:15 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am looking for more information on
Peter Morison married to Barbara McLeod 11 July 1810. He was a miller according to the marriage record.
Barbara McLeod was the daughter of Roderick McLeod.
also his son Peter Morrison, (it looks like the spelling of Morison changed in the 1841 census.
Peter and Barbara had several children;
Hugh, May 12 1815 Laxford, Eddrachillis, Sunderland, Scotland
Roderick, May 7 1810 Laxford, Eddrachillis, Sunderland, Scotland
Alexander, Apr 19 1813, Laxford, Eddrachillis, Sunderland, Scotland
Peter who's birth 1820, was not registered according to his second marriage record.
I have found Peter, Roderick and Alexander in the 1841 census Olrig. Roderick and Alexander were stated as stonecutters, Peter as a joiner, all born outside the county.
Peter married Ann Reid May 16 1845, Olrig, Caithness, Scotland.
I am beginning to doubt my research, is there anyway to confirm
Peter (b.1920) parents as Peter Morison and Barbara McLeod?
Also how can I find out where Peter Morison snr and Barbara McLeod came from.
I have some records from Scotlands people, is it ok to post these?
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You will be aware that in 1861 Ann Morrison in Olrig (aged 46) is married to Roderick Morrison from Eddrachillis. There isa no sign of Peter in Caithness in the 1851 or 1851 census. Have you located Ann's death record to see whether she was married twice?
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Welcome to Rootschat
The 1841 entry reads as follows - all in same household
Roderick 25
Ann 25
Alexander 25
Peter 20
Roderick married Jane Baikie in 1839 - but in 1842 son Peter was born to Roderick & ANN nee Baikie.
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Birth of Peter Morrison son of Peter & Ann nee Reid - 1846 Edinburgh
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In 1851 Peter 32 & Ann 36 are in Midlothian with sons Peter 5 & John 3. Children b Midlothian
Peter & Ann are both shown as b Caithness ED 76 Page 7 Line 2
In 1861 & 1871- he is in Glasgow - b Sutherland
Your opening post says Peters birth was not registered "according to his second marriage cert". When & where was his second marriage & who did he marry?
To confirm his parentage - look for his death & download a copy of his death cert
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Peter and Barbara had several children;
Hugh, May 12 1815 Laxford, Eddrachillis, Sunderland, Scotland
Roderick, May 7 1810 Laxford, Eddrachillis, Sunderland, Scotland
Alexander, Apr 19 1813, Laxford, Eddrachillis, Sunderland, Scotland
Peter who's birth 1820, was not registered according to his second marriage record.
Peter married Ann Reid May 16 1845, Olrig, Caithness, Scotland.
I am beginning to doubt my research, is there anyway to confirm
Peter (b.1920) parents as Peter Morison and Barbara McLeod?
Also how can I find out where Peter Morison snr and Barbara McLeod came from.
I have some records from Scotlands people, is it ok to post these?
What other info. do you have re Peter who married Ann Reid?
Do you have the DCs of Peter & Ann?
Who are their children in order of birth & which of those children do you descend from?
How did you arrive at Peter Morrison & Barbara McLeod being your ancestors?
I can't find the baptisms of Hugh, Roderick, Alex & Peter, what variant are they under & are they ChoS/Catholic or other?
Annie
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As far as I am aware, 1855, the first year of official Birth, Death and Marriage registration in Scotland, is the only year a Marriage Certificate would state whether a birth was registered or not. There are 4 marriages for a Peter Morrison in Scotland in 1855. Two in Glasgow are Peter Morrison/Anne Larnock at Tradeston. Peter Morrison/Mary Lang at Blythswood. Marriage to Anne Larnock seems most likely.
1861 Census. 16 Albert Street, Glasgow.
Peter Morrison 42 Jman Joiner b Sutherland.
Ann Morrison 39 Wife b ? ? (Might be Lerwick, Shetland).
Peter Morrison 15 Son b Edinburgh.
John Morrison 13 Son b Edinburgh.
Ann Morrison 5 Dau b Glasgow.
Alex H Morrison 3 Son b Glasgow.
*Margaret Morrison 1 Son b Glasgow.
(*Margaret has been corrected to Magnus)
1871 Census. 6 Huntingdon Place, Glasgow.
Peter Morrison 51 Joiner b Cagtletown?, Sutherland.
Ann Morrison 49 Wife b Lerwick, Shetland.
Alex H Morrison 13 Son b Glasgow.
Magnus Morrison 11 Son b Glasgow.
Walter Morrison 8 Son b Glasgow.
1881 Census. 17 Thistle Street, Gorbals, Glasgow.
Boarding with Ruddy Family.
Alex Morrison 23 Painter b Glasgow.
Magnus Morison 21 Boltmaker b Glasgow.
Walter Morison 18 Painter b Glasgow.
Ann Morrison / Larnock died 1875 at St Rollox, Glasgow aged 52 years.
Mother's ms Burgess. [Statutory Deaths 644/6 655]
2 Deaths in Glasgow between 1871 and 1881 for a Peter Morrison born 1819 +/- 5yrs.
Peter Morrison died 1876 at Blackfriars age 56 years. Mother's ms Liddell.
Peter Morrison died 1877 at Dennistoun age 57 years. Mother not named on Index.
Regards, Dod.
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May be death of Peter's first wife.
Ann Reid. Other Details: Morrison/Peter Morrison. Age: 38. Died 9/2/1852. (9th Feb. 1852).
ScotlandsPeople - Index. [OPR Deaths 685/2 580 163 St Cuthbert's (Edinburgh)]
Regards, Dod.
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You will be aware that in 1861 Ann Morrison in Olrig (aged 46) is married to Roderick Morrison from Eddrachillis. There isa no sign of Peter in Caithness in the 1851 or 1851 census. Have you located Ann's death record to see whether she was married twice?
Hi, thank you, that is a different Ann, I have Peter and Ann Reid's marriage record for Olrig, they are in Edinburgh in 1956 census, Ann Died 1852 and Peter married again.
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May be death of Peter's first wife.
Ann Reid. Other Details: Morrison/Peter Morrison. Age: 38. Died 9/2/1852. (9th Feb. 1852).
ScotlandsPeople - Index. [OPR Deaths 685/2 580 163 St Cuthbert's (Edinburgh)]
Regards, Dod.
Hi there, thanks, yes I have her death record.
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Birth of Peter Morrison son of Peter & Ann nee Reid - 1846 Edinburgh
Hi, thanks for your reply. I have that record.
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In 1851 Peter 32 & Ann 36 are in Midlothian with sons Peter 5 & John 3. Children b Midlothian
Peter & Ann are both shown as b Caithness ED 76 Page 7 Line 2
In 1861 & 1871- he is in Glasgow - b Sutherland
Your opening post says Peters birth was not registered "according to his second marriage cert". When & where was his second marriage & who did he marry?
To confirm his parentage - look for his death & download a copy of his death cert
Thanks for your reply.
I have attached the record of Peter's second marriage to Ann Larnoch June 8 1855, Tradeston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
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Sorry that is the wrong document that is Peter 1st and Ann Larnoch.
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Thanks everyone for the replies.
I do have the records that trace the descendants of Peter Morison and Barbara McLeod. I am a direct descendant of both.
I am seeking information on how to trace Peter and Barbara further back. I think they were born around 1780/90's maybe in Sutherland, but perhaps on one of the Islands.
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Unfortunately, the Eddrachilis parish records don't go that far back; they start early in the 19th century. Do I understand that the minister does not refer to either of them in the marriage record by use of a patronymic or other parental identifier? That's the way to trace some families further back in the neighbouring parish of Durness
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I am seeking information on how to trace Peter and Barbara further back. I think they were born around 1780/90's maybe in Sutherland, but perhaps on one of the Islands.
There were four Barbara Macleods born in Durness in that period.
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As far as I am aware, 1855, the first year of official Birth, Death and Marriage registration in Scotland, is the only year a Marriage Certificate would state whether a birth was registered or not.
I've seen 100s of 1855 certs. & it's vey doubtful a marriage cert. would state a birth/baptism hadn't been registered.
An 1855 DC lists the names of children (alive/dec'd) with ages (of living) & ages at time of death with death year .
Image an example of an 1855 DC listing the children.
Annie
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I have attached the record of Peter's second marriage to Ann Larnoch June 8 1855, Tradeston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
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In the absence of the image, what info. is recorded re. parents for Peter, does it name Peter & Barbara Morrison (Maiden Surname (M.S) MacLeod)?
Annie
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In reply to Annie (Reply 16). Like you I have looked up dozens of Scottish 1855 Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates. My own 2 x Great Grandmother died 1855 and her D.C. lists her children in order, their ages and whether alive or deceased. 1855 Marriage Certificates carry a lot of information, including birth place of bride and groom, and says if birth not registered.
Out of curiosity I have now looked at the 1855 Marriage Certificate of Peter Morrison and Anne Larnock. Under the column headed, 'Birthplace, and when and where registered.' for Peter Morrison it says, "Born but not Registered on January 15th 1820 at Sutherlandshire, Scotland." For Anne Larnock, "Born on May 1st 1822 at Lerwick, Shetland."
Regards, Dod.
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I have now looked at the 1855 Marriage Certificate of Peter Morrison and Anne Larnock. Under the column headed, 'Birthplace, and when and where registered.' for Peter Morrison it says, "Born but not Registered on January 15th 1820 at Sutherlandshire, Scotland." For Anne Larnock, "Born on May 1st 1822 at Lerwick, Shetland."
Regards, Dod.
Thanks Dod!...Quite unique indeed & very helpful too.
Annie
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It states on Peters marriage record as in the screenshot attached. "Born but not registered on January 18th 1920 at Sutherlandshire Scotland.
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In reply to Annie (Reply 16). Like you I have looked up dozens of Scottish 1855 Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates. My own 2 x Great Grandmother died 1855 and her D.C. lists her children in order, their ages and whether alive or deceased. 1855 Marriage Certificates carry a lot of information, including birth place of bride and groom, and says if birth not registered.
Out of curiosity I have now looked at the 1855 Marriage Certificate of Peter Morrison and Anne Larnock. Under the column headed, 'Birthplace, and when and where registered.' for Peter Morrison it says, "Born but not Registered on January 15th 1820 at Sutherlandshire, Scotland." For Anne Larnock, "Born on May 1st 1822 at Lerwick, Shetland."
Regards, Dod.
Thanks I did post this after you. I am resigned that I cannot find any other information on Peter Morison and Barbara McLeod. I can find nothing but their marriage record, and birth records for 3 of their children. I have searched records in Scotland Ireland and England. Thanks for clarifying that marriage record.