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Title: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: rittrock on Saturday 16 April 22 22:31 BST (UK)

David Briggs, brewery driver, age 57-59, found dead at railway line near Latchford - see e.g. Liverpool Echo, 11 & 12 Dec 1934.
His son Cyril Briggs, a journalist, gave evidence at the inquest.
Was this the well-known sports (especially rugby league) journalist Cyril Briggs? Of the Cyril Briggs Press Agency in Warrington (near Wilderspool, where David lived)?
I would be grateful for confirmation: this looks like the family of David Briggs and Mary Ann Creighton (m. 1873), and it looks like David Briggs from Ireland (Broomhedge near Lisburn?), age 32 in 1881 census.
cheers
 

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 16 April 22 22:58 BST (UK)

If you check the 1939 register there is only one Cyril Briggs in Warrington

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: heywood on Saturday 16 April 22 23:02 BST (UK)

Here is Cyril aged 2 yrs in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYV-43K

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: rittrock on Saturday 16 April 22 23:24 BST (UK)

Thanks
In that case, yes it must be David Briggs m. Edith Dumbell in St Elphin's, December 1901, by which time David Briggs senior had died. His wife Mary Ann (nee Creighton) has birthplace "Castle Ray Belfast" in one of the 1881 census transcriptions, and that must be Castlereagh.
cheers

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 17 April 22 00:00 BST (UK)

Cyril's birth reg shows mmn Dumbell

www.freebmd.org.uk

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: Comberton on Sunday 17 April 22 00:50 BST (UK)

Military records for David on Ancestry and FindMyPast. Service number 59342

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 17 April 22 06:39 BST (UK)

in case they are of any use - David and Ediths addresses when they married

Marriage: 5 Dec 1901 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
David Briggs - 26, Stoker, Bachelor, 370 Wilderspool Causeway
Edith Dumbell - 25, Spinster, 25 Greenall Street
    Groom's Father: David Briggs, (deceased), Drayman
    Bride's Father: William Dumbell, Boiler Maker
    Witness: Arthur Ince; Ada Marsh
    Married by Banns by: A. F. White, Assist. Priest
 :)

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: rittrock on Sunday 17 April 22 08:06 BST (UK)

And the father looks like David who died in 1897 age 48 in Warrington.
Other children (Sarah Jane age 3, William age 7 who later married Benjamin Beddard's daughter) are with him, Mary Ann and David age 5 at "Wilderspool House" in 1881 census.
Apologies for being slow and non-local...I see there was a Cheshire/Lancashire boundary switch.
I am asking some Broomhedge locals and hoping to link with the Briggs/Creighton September 1873 marriage in Warrington. Not much chance of passenger lists for Belfast-Liverpool.
Thanks again

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: heywood on Sunday 17 April 22 09:37 BST (UK)

The marriage is in Cheshire indexes here http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ and is a Civil Marriage or Registrar attended- possibly Catholic?

1881 3512 /28/15
Appleton, Cheshire
David Briggs 32 yrs b Ireland
Mary A. Briggs 31 yrs b Ireland Castlereagh
William Briggs 7 yrs
David Briggs 5 yrs
Sarah Jane Briggs 3 yrs
Frank Briggs 1 yr

An interesting note on the census page that ‘all the houses on this page were incorporated into the Municipal Borough of Warrington, November 1896’

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp  shows Frank mmn Crighton

*I see you have quoted the census so already have that information - sorry.

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: rittrock on Friday 30 May 25 15:45 BST (UK)

I emailed some local newsdesks but none replied. Just in case, I wonder if anyone remembers the journalist Cyril Briggs or his Briggs family. Cyril is probably the man who died in 1992.

Tony Gubba's link with the Cyril Briggs Press Agency might ring some bells; the tendency of journalists to adopt noms de plume might obscure things.

thanks

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 30 May 25 15:49 BST (UK)

Not sure this is the one you referred to - Cyril Briggs - Sports Journalist

Runcorn Weekly News
Runcorn, Cheshire, England •
Thu, 19 Nov 1992
Page 66

https://www.newspapers.com/article/runcorn-weekly-news/173462186/

Manchester Evening News
Manchester, Greater Manchester, England •
Wed, 4 Nov 1992
Page 22

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manchester-evening-news-obituary-for-cyr/173462546/

Sandra

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: rittrock on Friday 30 May 25 15:58 BST (UK)

Thanks Sandra
Sutton Weaver and the BBC broadcasts will help

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 30 May 25 16:01 BST (UK)

Another report on the 13 th December 1934

Liverpool Daily Post
Liverpool, Merseyside, England •
Thu, 13 Dec 1934
Page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/article/liverpool-daily-post/173462933/

Sandra

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: rittrock on Friday 30 May 25 16:26 BST (UK)

Yes that's where I started - see the first post in this chain.
David's parents (Cyril's grandparents) must have moved from Ireland - married 1873.
cheers

Title: Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 30 May 25 16:27 BST (UK)

Quote from: rittrock on Friday 30 May 25 16:26 BST (UK)

Yes that's where I started - see the first post in this chain.
David's parents (Cyril's grandparents) must have moved from Ireland - married 1873.
cheers

Yes I saw that - just added an account for another date, the 13th