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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: kdsoph on Thursday 14 April 22 21:40 BST (UK)
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Hi there!
I have a Heaney issue that is driving me nuts and need your help really really badly.
My 3xg-grandfather was Henry Heaney (Heany) but he was never born, never arrived in Australia and isn't dead yet! ::) He did, however, marry my 3xg-grandmother and have 9 children with her ;D.
The facts I have been working with to trace his origins are scant. this is what I know...
- Henry Heaney was in born in Co. Cavan, Ireland. I think it was around 1820-1823. I have his birthplace from 2 of his children's birth cerificates.
- He married Ellen Elizabeth Mooney (abt. 1824- 1898) in the Scots Church, Collins St, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on the 26th August 1850.
- Their 9 children were all born in Back Creek, Boroondara, (Kew).
- In 1865 he was a gardener as per his son Fred's birth cert
- Henry and Ellen split up in about 1867 and according to family "legend" this was due to religious differences
- In 1887 he was in QLD according to his daughter Matilda Brash's marriage certificate
- In 1894 he was a bacon curer in Ballarat as per his son, Brigham Henry Heany's death certificate
In 1931 his son Arthur's death certificate tells us he was an orchardist[/li]
Now here is the kicker...
In 1844 There is a Henry Heaney arriving with his presumed older brother Hugh, who were born in Cavan, Ireland onboard "The Wallace". I thought woohoo! but...this record is attached to another Henry Heaney on many Ancestry trees who married a Catherine McCarthy on the 29 Sep 1846 at St James' Church, Melbourne. This Henry is well documented as far as Electoral Rolls etc go and was a Carpenter living in Collingwood. This Henry had 7 children with Catherine whilst living at Rokeby St., Collingwood. He died in 1909 at this address at the age of 81.
I cannot find another Henry Heaney arriving in Australia nor born here nor dying here.
Venting to a friend, she suggested that perhaps either "my" Henry (or Ellen) were Mormon due to the name of their 6th son Brigham which would allow Henry to have 2 wives!
I also have random sightings of a Henry Heaney;
1. Grazing cattle in 1870 in Ballarat
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
3. Cab Horse racing in 1873
4. In 1878 there was a Henry Heaney working as a shepherd in Buckimguy, Mara Creek, New South Wales. This is near Dubbo where his eldest son, George was a carpenter/builder.
5. dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died.
6. living in Jolimont aged 86 working as a carter
So in this case, too much information just muddies the water. :'(
Would anyone be able to direct me to what my next steps could be to find my Henry Heaney's birth, death, parents etc?
I have attached some certificates mentioned above.
Kind Regards
Kim
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Hi,
It can be important to remember:
:) Not all passenger lists include individual names of passengers who came steerage
:) not all shipping clerks could spell surnames
:) not all clerks could write neatly, many were excellent scribblers
:) each British colony had its own admin system for recording info about the people arriving, departinng, bdm, etc.
:) Vic was still part of NSW until1851, so look in NSW archives, newspapers, etc.
:) just because someone else says their ancestor arrived in 1844 with his bro, does NOT mean you cannot consider that same passenger.
:) some NSW prisoner records from late 1800s can include photo, native place and SHIP OF ARRIVAL
ADD
Civil registration bdm events start 1850s in NSW and Vic. Until then, nothing was coompulsory, and until post WWI, no real bdm admin system in place to check if all quarterly returns lodged and received and processed.
Keep looking
JM
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Hi,
It can be important to remember:
:) Not all passenger lists include individual names of passengers who came steerage
:) not all shipping clerks could spell surnames
:) not all clerks could write neatly, many were excellent scribblers
:) each British colony had its own admin system for recording info about the people arriving, departinng, bdm, etc.
:) Vic was still part of NSW until1851, so look in NSW archives, newspapers, etc.
:) just because someone else says their ancestor arrived in 1844 with his bro, does NOT mean you cannot consider that same passenger.
:) some NSW prisoner records from late 1800s can include photo, native place and SHIP OF ARRIVAL
ADD
Civil registration bdm events start 1850s in NSW and Vic. Until then, nothing was coompulsory, and until post WWI, no real bdm admin system in place to check if all quarterly returns lodged and received and processed.
Keep looking
JM
Although I am quite exhausted from my search I will take your advice and peruse the NSW records which I have attempted but was so overwhelmed with such random information I already have, I was reticent to continue.
Fully aware that the "Henry and Hugh" onboard the Wallace are most likely mine but, as I have no other arrival I just couldn't take it as wrote.
I will plough on. Thank you so much! ...again JM
Kind Regards
Kim
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Henry HEANEY per the Mandarin, arriving NSW 18 Oct 1838, departed Belfast 14 June 1838, single, aged 18, Wesleyan, See Passengers on Government Ships as per NSW State Archives, ref 4/4780 etc. NOTE that Hugh HEANEY per same voyage, married, aged 27, previous residence Armagh (Ireland), Methodist, a Bricklayer employed Sydney by Colonial Architect.
Henry, son of Patrick EGAN and Ellen HEANEY baptised St Mary’s RC, Sydney 18 December 1825.
Try the BDA biographical database – a fairly new, and definitely an ongoing project. There is a nominal annual subscription.
https://www.bda-online.org.au/
JM
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NSW State Archives
Digitised passenger list for that Mandarin Oct 1838 arrival IS online, at NSW State Archives. https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5313&item=4_4780&ship=Mandarin
Reel 2654
;D fingers crossed
JM
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Henry HEANEY per the Mandarin, arriving NSW 18 Oct 1838, departed Belfast 14 June 1838, single, aged 18, Wesleyan, See Passengers on Government Ships as per NSW State Archives, ref 4/4780 etc. NOTE that Hugh HEANEY per same voyage, married, aged 27, previous residence Armagh (Ireland), Methodist, a Bricklayer employed Sydney by Colonial Architect.
Henry, son of Patrick EGAN and Ellen HEANEY baptised St Mary’s RC, Sydney 18 December 1825.
Try the BDA biographical database – a fairly new, and definitely an ongoing project. There is a nominal annual subscription.
https://www.bda-online.org.au/
JM
You are wonderful but I can't see Henry on the list at all. The Hugh Heaney listed was from Armagh and my Henry was from Cavan
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" I have his birthplace from 2 of his children's birth certificates."
From the the birth certificate, 1865, Frederick William Heaney, informant Ellen HEANEY, gives birthplace of Henry HEANEY to be County Cavan. Ellen is giving the birthplace information.
Which other birth certificate records birthplace for Henry HEANEY, and who is the informant?
If Ellen HEANEY was left with a large family when her husband Henry left them, how did Ellen support her children?
The death certificate for Brigham Henry HEANEY, died 1897, is difficult to read. What information is given for parents....who is the informant? Where is Brigham buried?
"In 1887 he was in QLD according to his daughter Matilda Brash's marriage certificate"
I am familiar with a marriage certificate that records names of parents, but not the location of parents.
Can you transcribe the wording that includes this information.
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Is this the source of the story about Henry HEANEY leaving his family?
The Ballarat Star 3 Jul 1867 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112876162?
Wife Desertion.—Henry HEANEY, charged with having deserted his wife, was discharged, as the wife did not press the case against him.
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Henry HEANEY per the Mandarin, arriving NSW 18 Oct 1838, departed Belfast 14 June 1838, single, aged 18, Wesleyan, See Passengers on Government Ships as per NSW State Archives, ref 4/4780 etc. NOTE that Hugh HEANEY per same voyage, married, aged 27, previous residence Armagh (Ireland), Methodist, a Bricklayer employed Sydney by Colonial Architect.
I don't think this is correct. The 18 year old was Robert HEANEY, Hugh's brother. Henry was Hugh's son and 3 years old.
Interesting aside - Hugh and Ann had a daughter Eliza Jane in 1840 after their arrival. She went on to marry notorious blackbirder Henry Ross LEWIN.
Debra :)
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Agh .... I see the mis-transcription .... Robert HEANEY aged 18, on the Mandarin .... ;D
JM
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In 1844 There is a Henry Heaney arriving with his presumed older brother Hugh, who were born in Cavan, Ireland onboard "The Wallace". I thought woohoo! but...this record is attached to another Henry Heaney on many Ancestry trees who married a Catherine McCarthy on the 29 Sep 1846 at St James' Church, Melbourne.
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
I think you can safely assume that the Collingwood Henry was not stealing cheques in Hay in 1871, so did not arrive on the Wallace.
The description of 'large nose and mouth' could fit your Henry if the photo attached to family trees is indeed him, but it is not very clear.
Someone is sending cheques from Hay to Ballarat in 1870/71.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197560519
Another case of a letter containing money being lost in-course of transit through the Post-office is notified in the Police Qazette as follows:—Stolen in course of transit by post between Hay, N. S. Wales and Ballarat, about the 20th September last, a letter addressed “Ellen H. Heaney, care of Mr Searl draper, Ligar street, Ballarat,” containing two £1 notes, on the Bank of Victoria, Melbourne...
Debra :)[/list]
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This is a silly question as I'm sure you'd have thought of it - are there any clues on Ellen's death certificate?
Judith
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1. Grazing cattle in 1870 in Ballarat
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
3. Cab Horse racing in 1873
4. In 1878 there was a Henry Heaney working as a shepherd in Buckimguy, Mara Creek, New South Wales. This is near Dubbo where his eldest son, George was a carpenter/builder.
5. dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died.
6. living in Jolimont aged 86 working as a carter
Kind Regards
Kim
Please note that on the marriage certificate between Henry and Ellen, Ellen who was perfectly literate (as evidenced by the book in her hand in the photo), signed her name as Helen MOONEY. So to .....
Sighting 4
George HEANEY Carpenter of Dubbo died in 1938
His parents recorded as Henry and Helen #16711
This is his death notice.
His age at death matches his birth index, as does his parents names
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/160914107
Sighting number 5
"......dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died."
He died in 1897
No, Brigham Henry whose Victorian will is digitized died in Ballarat and his remains were taken from his home there to the Ballarat Cemetery. The Kew asylum person is not relevant I think.
Death notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/210359793
A note for your interest..
When Arthur HEANEY’s house burnt in Ballarat in 1898, his aged mother was in the house alone . He was a bacon curer of Ballarat.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9787217
The year of her death was also 1898.
Sue
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Please note that on the marriage certificate between Henry and Ellen, Ellen who was perfectly literate (as evidenced by the book in her hand in the photo), signed her name as Helen MOONEY.
I think she signed with her mark x. The handwriting of the minister in the body of the cert is the same. Irving Hetherington was Scots so you would expect him to name her as Helen instead of Ellen.
Debra :)
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Mmm.. yes I agree about the handwriting being very much the same, but I would usually expect the words "her mark".
I do see a little x.
Anyhow, it's Helen.
Perhaps the volume in the photo is intended to show she is a pious woman. A Bible?
Sue
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" I have his birthplace from 2 of his children's birth certificates."
From the the birth certificate, 1865, Frederick William Heaney, informant Ellen HEANEY, gives birthplace of Henry HEANEY to be County Cavan. Ellen is giving the birthplace information.
Which other birth certificate records birthplace for Henry HEANEY, and who is the informant?
This is their 5th child, Arthur Henry Heany's birth cert. It looks like Henry is the informant. ;D
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If Ellen HEANEY was left with a large family when her husband Henry left them, how did Ellen support her children?
The death certificate for Brigham Henry HEANEY, died 1897, is difficult to read. What information is given for parents....who is the informant? Where is Brigham buried?
"In 1887 he was in QLD according to his daughter Matilda Brash's marriage certificate"
I am familiar with a marriage certificate that records names of parents, but not the location of parents.
Can you transcribe the wording that includes this information.
I have no idea how Ellen supported her family except for her receiving cheques in the mail. (one didn't arrive 1871. This is the same year that Henry was convicted of stealing a cheque and sent to gaol. see attached)
Brigham died suddenly of Cardiac Syncope in Norman Street, Ballarat 1897, 1 year after the Bacon Curing business burnt down in 1896. No informant but I would say it would have been his wife, Georgina Ann or the medical assistant. His parents are listed as Henry Heany, Bacon Curer and Ellen Elizabeth Heany nee Cooney. (so the informant wasn't his mother). Brigham was buried in Ballarat New Cemetery. His mother shares his plot.
I think we need to disregard the comment I made about Matilda's marriage certificate as I have spent ages trying to find where I got that gem from ??? ::) :-[
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Is this the source of the story about Henry HEANEY leaving his family?
The Ballarat Star 3 Jul 1867 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112876162?
Wife Desertion.—Henry HEANEY, charged with having deserted his wife, was discharged, as the wife did not press the case against him.
Yes, this is one source but I had another who now seems lost to me. :'( ...
I had correspondence with another family member years ago who has a "Private" tree on Ancestry. She is not known to me but had all of these certificates which she shared. I then matched them up to the Trove articles and pieced them all together. Now I have come back to Henry, found there was ANOTHER Henry and so I wrote to her to try and sort it out once and for all but I have had no reply, :( unfortunately. She is also the one who told me that family legend says Ellen and Henry split due to "religious differences" which sent me careering down the path that these 2 Henrys may be the same man leading a double life. :-\
NB: I think she is the one who told me that Matilda said her father was in QLD on her marriage cert. but I have not seen that document.
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In 1844 There is a Henry Heaney arriving with his presumed older brother Hugh, who were born in Cavan, Ireland onboard "The Wallace". I thought woohoo! but...this record is attached to another Henry Heaney on many Ancestry trees who married a Catherine McCarthy on the 29 Sep 1846 at St James' Church, Melbourne.
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
I think you can safely assume that the Collingwood Henry was not stealing cheques in Hay in 1871, so did not arrive on the Wallace.
The description of 'large nose and mouth' could fit your Henry if the photo attached to family trees is indeed him, but it is not very clear.
Someone is sending cheques from Hay to Ballarat in 1870/71.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197560519
Another case of a letter containing money being lost in-course of transit through the Post-office is notified in the Police Qazette as follows:—Stolen in course of transit by post between Hay, N. S. Wales and Ballarat, about the 20th September last, a letter addressed “Ellen H. Heaney, care of Mr Searl draper, Ligar street, Ballarat,” containing two £1 notes, on the Bank of Victoria, Melbourne...
Debra :)[/list]
I figured I could safely assume that the Collingwood Henry is not the same as mine in Hay in 1871 but, please forgive me, I am not sure why this means that my Henry did not arrive on the Wallace ...I am a bit slow on the uptake.
I agree that the gaol description sounded about right but not conclusive.
It was in 1871 that Henry was convicted in hay and gaoled so I feel that he could have told Ellen a white lie there re her cheque "being in the mail".
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This is a silly question as I'm sure you'd have thought of it - are there any clues on Ellen's death certificate?
Judith
Not a silly idea! I don't have Ellen's death cert so I will need to order a transcript! thank you
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1. Grazing cattle in 1870 in Ballarat
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
3. Cab Horse racing in 1873
4. In 1878 there was a Henry Heaney working as a shepherd in Buckimguy, Mara Creek, New South Wales. This is near Dubbo where his eldest son, George was a carpenter/builder.
5. dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died.
6. living in Jolimont aged 86 working as a carter
Kind Regards
Kim
Please note that on the marriage certificate between Henry and Ellen, Ellen who was perfectly literate (as evidenced by the book in her hand in the photo), signed her name as Helen MOONEY. So to .....
Sighting 4
George HEANEY Carpenter of Dubbo died in 1938
His parents recorded as Henry and Helen #16711
This is his death notice.
His age at death matches his birth index, as does his parents names
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/160914107
Sighting number 5
"......dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died."
He died in 1897
No, Brigham Henry whose Victorian will is digitized died in Ballarat and his remains were taken from his home there to the Ballarat Cemetery. The Kew asylum person is not relevant I think.
Death notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/210359793
A note for your interest..
When Arthur HEANEY’s house burnt in Ballarat in 1898, his aged mother was in the house alone . He was a bacon curer of Ballarat.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9787217
The year of her death was also 1898.
Sue
Oh how insightful!
I am not sure that Ellen was literate as I have not found any evidence of it. The book in their portrait was possibly a bible. I need to research Ellen in greater detail than I have.
I have discounted the Henry dying in Kew asylum as I have identified him as being the son of the Collinwood Henry! So we can strike off Sighting 5.
We can also strike off Sighting 6 as I discovered that Collingwood Henry and his sons were taxi drivers.
Ellen died 7 May 1898 aged 74, so it was likely the fire on Jan 16th at her son Arthur's house contributed to her death but it didn't cause it directly as in she didn't die that day. She is buried with her son Brigham and a grandchild in New Ballarat Cemetery.
Thank you so much for looking all of this up for me.
Kim
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If anyone needs to see my work in its entirety and in chronological order, this is the link to Henry Heaney in my ancestry tree
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/54765258/person/13718759626/facts (https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/54765258/person/13718759626/facts)
so many thanks
Kim
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[/li][/list][li]In 1894 he was a bacon curer in Ballarat as per his son, Brigham Henry Heany's death certificate
A death certificate does not normally mention the whereabouts of the father of the deceased.
The statement that Henry was a bacon curer may have been a best guess on the part of the informant made many years after the disappearance of Henry. I would consider it not relevant.
An observation here of no special help. For partners in a marriage of almost 20 years duration to suddenly have very strong oppositional viewpoints about religion and for that reason alone to separate seems unlikely.
The question of how did Ellen HEANEY manage to support her family has been asked and I had a thought that Mr SEARL ( mentioned as a draper in the lost cheque issue) may have been of assistance to her.
This news item about boys playing truant offers a hint . Note the phrase “…bringing up his children…”
Two boys named HEANEY and SEARLE in trouble in Ballarat, aged 10 in 1875
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200184846
This item about the same incident suggests again that Mr SEARLE was "responsible" for both boys
“…a lecture on control of his children”
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200184841
Back to George HEANEY in Dubbo for a moment. A queston..
Where is the news item that specifically says that Henry HEANEY, a shepherd, and victim of a theft, near Dubbo was the father of George HEANEY the builder?
We may acknowledge that your Henry HEANEY was the father of that George, but how do you connect the the shepherd Henry to George?
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Just a couple of things - you haven't linked Arthur and Noble's gaol record but the copies on NSW State records are much better quality.
Arthur
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX2080101
Noble
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX469889
Also the bicycle incident was in Maryborough, Victoria, not in Queensland.
An article about the stolen cheque where Henry's surname is incorrectly reported as HEALEY.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145705489
I think the boys were Frederick William HEANEY and Charles SEARLE who was the son of James SEARLE and Catherine MAHONEY.
Debra :)
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Just a couple of things - you haven't linked Arthur and Noble's gaol record but the copies on NSW State records are much better quality.
Arthur
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX2080101
Noble
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX469889
Also the bicycle incident was in Maryborough, Victoria, not in Queensland.
An article about the stolen cheque where Henry's surname is incorrectly reported as HEALEY.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145705489
I think the boys were Frederick William HEANEY and Charles SEARLE who was the son of James SEARLE and Catherine MAHONEY.
Debra :)
OMgosh! Debra!
Thank you. Geography has never been my strong point and as such, I spend a lot of time on Google Maps, but skipped over the Maryborough clue because I am a Qldander and have never been to Victoria, so I committed a cardinal sin and "assumed". It seems obvious now!
It hadn't occurred to me to search for Mr Searle! Perhaps Ellen worked for him?
Thank you for the links to Arthur and Noble's criminal records. My face is aching from smiling so much! Arthur didn't age well but that's not surprising and Noble has a Brad Pitt thing going on there! :)
You are amazing and have taught me never to disregard ANY NAME or CLUE!
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[/li][/list][li]In 1894 he was a bacon curer in Ballarat as per his son, Brigham Henry Heany's death certificate
A death certificate does not normally mention the whereabouts of the father of the deceased.
Back to George HEANEY in Dubbo for a moment. A queston..
Where is the news item that specifically says that Henry HEANEY, a shepherd, and victim of a theft, near Dubbo was the father of George HEANEY the builder?
We may acknowledge that your Henry HEANEY was the father of that George, but how do you connect the the shepherd Henry to George?
Simple answer is there is none but...
His eldest son, George somehow made his way to the Dubbo area of NSW, married there in 1884 and I asked myself why?
It just made sense to me that George reconnected with his father, who was a shepherd in the area in 1878.
George a "selector" (I don't know what this is - cows or sheep maybe) and his brother Francis had some sort of connection with Murrumbidgerie Station in 1894 and he is listed as a bankrupt there in 1909. His other brother, Arthur lived with him there in 1915.
So why were all 3 boys in Dubbo NSW if not to initially reconnect with their father. Plus there aren't any other Henry Heaney's that I can find in NSW.
Sometimes I make stuff up, so thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow ;D
George ended up dying there
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George a "selector" (I don't know what this is - cows or sheep maybe) and his brother Francis had some sort of connection with Murrumbidgerie Station in 1894 and he is listed as a bankrupt there in 1909. His other brother, Arthur lived with him there in 1915.
So why were all 3 boys in Dubbo NSW if not to initially reconnect with their father. Plus there aren't any other Henry Heaney's that I can find in NSW.
Sometimes I make stuff up, so thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow ;D
George ended up dying there
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Mr Google can be your friend.
https://www.historyskills.com/finding-sources/modern-history/squatters-and-selectors-sources/
and
https://digital-classroom.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/introduction-robertson-land-acts
and of course RChat's own search engine ;D
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=735254.0
You may well have some elusive blanks on the rural/regional marriages for your ancestors in NSW prior to say 1895. The information was recorded but only summary details submitted to NSW BDM. NSW BDM has not ever fully reconciled their own summary details with the parish records.
A very long thread now, but it explains how to go about sorting and establishing the ages of the bride and groom, their occupations, their usual addresses, their parents names (including mums' former and maiden names) their dad's occupations and all the vital family history info you need to actually have confidence that you are joining NSW dots. :) https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0
JM
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I have finally found Arthur in the Vic records, for some reason it has not been indexed by PROV.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/1CA4DDDC-F3A9-11E9-AE98-A95051585AFF
Page 69 in the left hand menu, lots of good photos there.
Debra :)
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I have finally found Arthur in the Vic records, for some reason it has not been indexed by PROV.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/1CA4DDDC-F3A9-11E9-AE98-A95051585AFF
Page 69 in the left hand menu, lots of good photos there.
Debra :)
Oh my giddy uncle - this is amazing!
Poor Arthur had a pretty horrible time and although he went bad he came good again in the end.
I have attached a photo of Arthur in his early prosperous days before his life went soooo wrong.
A bit about Arthur:
Arthur married Emma Sarah Kopke on 6 June 1893 in Ballarat, Victoria when he was 34. They had one son during their marriage, Laurance.
Arthur was partners with his younger brother, Brigham in a bacon curing factory in Ballarat and offered his candidacy in the local elections numerous times.
Arthur's life virtually fell apart between 1896 and 1898, he lost his wife, his business (burnt down), his house (burnt down), his brother and business partner (Brigham Henry sudden heart attack), his mother (prob due to the house fire) and his son was taken to be brought up by his in-laws, then he went bankrupt - no wonder he turned to crime.
After being released from gaol for the umpteenth time he signed up for the military shaving 13yrs off his age saying he was 44 and 11mths and served in Egypt coming home after being discharged for debility and senility.
He lived in Dubbo in his later years either with his brother George and is listed as a writer. He offered his candidacy again but this time as a member for Warranbee, NSW.
He died on 28 October 1931 in Latrobe St Ballarat, Victoria, at the age of 73 after losing his brother and sister within months of each other in the same year.
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I don't think Henry was a very good influence on his children. I have quite a lot about them and many questions but I will start a new thread for them as its all so fascinating and I still need to find Henry's parents and death if I can!
This is so much fun and I can't tell you all how much I appreciate your help and guidance.
I really struggle with finding anything on government sites, so Deb this is amazing!
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George a "selector" (I don't know what this is - cows or sheep maybe) and his brother Francis had some sort of connection with Murrumbidgerie Station in 1894 and he is listed as a bankrupt there in 1909. His other brother, Arthur lived with him there in 1915.
So why were all 3 boys in Dubbo NSW if not to initially reconnect with their father. Plus there aren't any other Henry Heaney's that I can find in NSW.
Sometimes I make stuff up, so thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow ;D
George ended up dying there
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Mr Google can be your friend.
https://www.historyskills.com/finding-sources/modern-history/squatters-and-selectors-sources/
and
https://digital-classroom.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/introduction-robertson-land-acts
and of course RChat's own search engine ;D
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=735254.0
You may well have some elusive blanks on the rural/regional marriages for your ancestors in NSW prior to say 1895. The information was recorded but only summary details submitted to NSW BDM. NSW BDM has not ever fully reconciled their own summary details with the parish records.
A very long thread now, but it explains how to go about sorting and establishing the ages of the bride and groom, their occupations, their usual addresses, their parents names (including mums' former and maiden names) their dad's occupations and all the vital family history info you need to actually have confidence that you are joining NSW dots. :) https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0
JM
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How fabulous is this!
It will take me some time to study all of these links and retry my Mr Googling. Mr Google and I are NOT friends. I try, but never know how to search correctly ie. I must put in the wrong keywords.
I am so grateful, I truly can't tell you how much. I love to learn and am often so very frustrated that I don't know how to find information beyond Trove and Ancestry and the likes.
Thak you JM
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Hi,
I must agree with our OP here.
Debra, your skills and grasp on systems with government records is extraordinary.
I click a fumble for hours on those sites and generally come up a blank! Fantastic.
In the same vein, when it comes to Australian history and NSW in particular, there is no resource better that JM (majm) ;D
For those who may not have seen it, I link these items connected with the last year of Francis HEANEY's life.
I was astonished to the point of laughter with the list of his aliases
Francis disappeared 1936 NSW
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17250963
Found- In the Estate of....
List of the alias names used by Francis HEANEY.1936.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222027647
A brief reading of the early days of Gardiner's Creek/Boroondara/Kew shows a history of mixed farming and orchards and market gardens.
All of this would fit with the descriptions of the occupations of Henry HEANEY.
I was particularly interested to read in the link posted by Debra with Henry's NSW gaol record
..... "lost the shearing".......1871
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145705489
Assuming from that that he was working with sheep. to this day Deniliquin is a significant sheep grazing area.
Sue
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Debra is by far the very best at being clear, concise, accurate and finding ALL the relevant without sidetracking to the twaddle and factoidal dribble.
JM (and that's on a show of hands from the ancient rellies, who are visiting this Easter Long Weekend).
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I assume you have checked for various spellings, however I post, in case you have missed this NSW death record.
HANNEY, HENRY J
13846/1892 WELLINGTON
Father - WILLIAM G
Mother - LAURA E
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For those who may not have seen it, I link these items connected with the last year of Francis HEANEY's life.
I was astonished to the point of laughter with the list of his aliases
Francis disappeared 1936 NSW
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17250963
Found- In the Estate of....
List of the alias names used by Francis HEANEY.1936.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222027647
Sue
Welllll Yessss. Francis is a whole other ball game!
I can't help myself ... I need to share this little nugget, but I think Francis wanted to be Frances. truly!
There is an image of his sister, Matilda and a 'woman' who is definitely NOT her mother.
This family is somewhat colourful ;D
A little about Francis;
His life between 1867 (age 12 when his parents split up) and 1896 is a blank, but we finally find him at age 38 living on Murrumbidgerie Station near Dubbo, leasing 550acres of land just down the road from his brother George.
A marriage for Francis has not been found so if he had any children it would be near impossible to find them.
Francis died on April 23, 1936, in Lidcombe, New South Wales, Australia, at the age of 80. Francis's life was difficult to trace because his will registration reveals that he went by various aliases. Francis changed his name to John Edison. he died of Senility in Lidcombe State Hospital and is buried in Rookwood.
These aliases provided by his death cert, have been researched in Trove and on the strength of what was read, it seems that Francis had a drinking problem. He could also have been mixed up in the sly grog trade in Sydney in later life and it is also entirely possible that he was transgender as per the portrait of his sister with a mystery "woman" and the fact that he left behind property in Ballarat under the name of "widow Frances Mooney."
As an aside...his sister Matilda's marriage split up and her husband is buried with another man. so...
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I assume you have checked for various spellings, however I post, in case you have missed this NSW death record.
HANNEY, HENRY J
13846/1892 WELLINGTON
Father - WILLIAM G
Mother - LAURA E
Oh jeeepers! I had NOT found this death. I had tried Heany, Heeny, Henney, Honey but not Hanney! Thank you will have a look. The only thing is that in no records that have been found is there a mention if a middle name, and none of his children have a 'J' nor a Laura.
Thank you again.
Kim
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You must be sick of me by now but I had a thought during the night. ::)
Henry's son Francis died under the name of "John Edison" as per his death certificate attached below.
I realise that death certs are not reliable in providing information about a parent but... it does say that his father's name was Henry Edison plus my 2x great grandmother, Charlotte Armstrong nee Heaney (the eldest dau. of Henry) named her youngest son Matt Edison Armstrong.
Why? I have found no family name of "Edison" so did she do this in remembrance of her father or her brother?
So could Henry have died under the name of Edison as well?
I searched but found nothing that helped.