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I am trying to find the father of Robert Radcliffe B.1809 In Lathom. His mother was known as both Nancy and Anne Radcliffe. I have a feeling he was born before his mother married and was hoping to find a baptism record which might confirm this.
I did find one record where the date fits although it was not at the exact location with the mother named as Ellen and the entry says base born.
I am wondering if this is Nancy/Anne calling herself a different name, was this something that was done at times?
Any advice would be very welcome
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Nancy and Ann are often interchanged but Ellen is a stretch.
When did the mother marry? How do you know who his mother was without a baptism?
Do you have a marriage for Robert to see what the certificate shows for his father (if anything)
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Would this be the Robert Radcliffe 31 Mar 1809 to 6 Feb 1888, he is on the 1851 to 1881 census returns with his wife Elizabeth born Lathom, all census returns in Wigan area, Roberts occupation varied each census.
I’m guessing that the census records are the source of the year and place of birth, where did you find the record which states his mothers name?
Their eldest daughter in 1861, she is married by 1871.
Ann Radcliffe 17
Their other children on the 1871 all noted as born Wigan except Elizabeth born Lathom.
William Radcliffe 24
John Radcliffe 21
Thomas Radcliffe 19
Mary Radcliffe 16
Jane Radcliffe 13
Elizabeth Radcliffe 11
Robert Radcliffe 7
I do not see a marriage record or births or baptisms for the children?
Colin
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Probable marriage
Marriage: 5 Nov 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Robert Ratcliffe - (X), Wigan Parish
Elizabeth Smith - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Wm. Potter; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: J.Paley Curate
RADCLIFFE, JANE mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 763
RADCLIFFE, MARY mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 21 Page 860
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Also
RADCLIFFE, JOHN mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WIGAN UNION LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 742
RADCLIFFE, THOMAS mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in WIGAN Volume 21 Page 716
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Nancy and Ann are often interchanged but Ellen is a stretch.
When did the mother marry? How do you know who his mother was without a baptism?
Do you have a marriage for Robert to see what the certificate shows for his father (if anything)
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I have no certificates as yet. I have taken over the tree for the person who is related to them all and he has a family bible listing all of them
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Probable marriage
Marriage: 5 Nov 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Robert Ratcliffe - (X), Wigan Parish
Elizabeth Smith - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Wm. Potter; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: J.Paley Curate
I am pretty sure this is him but as you can see, his marriage was before 1841 so no marriage certificate and therefore no information on his father.
RADCLIFFE, JANE mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 763
RADCLIFFE, MARY mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 21 Page 860
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Probable marriage
Marriage: 5 Nov 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Robert Ratcliffe - (X), Wigan Parish
Elizabeth Smith - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Wm. Potter; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: J.Paley Curate
I am pretty sure this is him but as you can see, his marriage was before 1841 so no marriage certificate and therefore no information on his father.
RADCLIFFE, JANE mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 763
RADCLIFFE, MARY mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 21 Page 860
Just highlighting your reply as you have posted within the quotes :)
I’m guessing that the census records are the source of the year and place of birth, where did you find the record which states his mothers name?
I wondered that too
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All census returns state that Elizabeth was one year older than Robert about 1809 & were both born Lathom.
Although parish records for Lancashire are on Ancestry, Lathom is not listed, I have also checked Family Search & Freereg with no success.
Colin
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I am trying to find the father of Robert Radcliffe B.1809 In Lathom. His mother was known as both Nancy and Anne Radcliffe.
Maybe
Sessions, Ormskirk, Midsummer 1809
Lathom. Order of filiation and maintenance of bastard son of Thomas Welch of Wrightington, farmer, and Ann Ratcliffe, singlewoman.
27 June 1809
Ref QSP/2582/70
From LANCAT
https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/calmview/
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Order Book
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XH5P-YX
Also on ancestry.
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Here's the bastardy thingy
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XC7S-XQ
Also on ancestry