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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cornwall Lookup Requests => Cornwall => England => Cornwall Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ppmint on Friday 08 April 22 06:06 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for information about Trennick House and Boscawen Park in Truro, Cornwall. My Bate relatives owned the properties until the early 1800s, prior to migrating to Canada.
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What specific information are you looking for?
Looks like Boscawen Park is a cricket ground:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boscawen_Park
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17.26108991939665&lat=50.25362&lon=-5.03964&layers=168&right=ESRIWorld
There’s a school called Trennick House, a road called Trennick Lane, a Trennick Mill, Trennick farm …
There is this, but I have no idea if it is your Trennick House - it is quite close to Boscawen Park if that is of any relevance to your search:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17.586993215605013&lat=50.25711&lon=-5.03548&layers=168&right=ESRIWorld
Maps are somewhat later than when your family lived there.
Did you get these addresses off a census or other record?
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Presumably you have googled these names? I tried “William Bate” Trennick and got a few results, some related to people in Canada.
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Trennick House was advertised to be let in July 1833 (it opened as a school for young ladies the following year).
See the Royal Cornwall Gazette of 27 July 1833, page 3
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Thanks for your responses Ruskie and ShaunJ: Those maps are awesome! I like how old maps are side-by-side arial photos. Yes, I have Googled for information but haven't found much. Perhaps I'm not using the correct search terms.
I am a descendant of William Bate. I know that several generations of Bates lived at Trennick in the late 1700-early 1800s. I think he may have owned Boscawen Park as well. He owned Trennick Mill, and was landlord at the Blue Anchor Pub by 1777 at least. His son Charles took over Trennick then sold it in 1821 - or at least it was up for sale in 1821. I don't know who bought it.
Henry Newell Bate, maltster, took over Bate & Conn, I think. He moved to Canada in 1833. He and Henry Conn, who'd remarried a few months earlier, dissolved the business in July 1833.
The information I have is like a few pieces of a puzzle. I was hoping to find a history of Trennick and the brewery. I've seen it written that the Blue Anchor Pub is the oldest in Britain and wonder how long Bates owned it. We've traced the family back to the 1500s in Blisland, Cornwall.
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I was hoping to find a history of Trennick and the brewery. I've seen it written that the Blue Anchor Pub is the oldest in Britain and wonder how long Bates owned it.
That's a big call! And I'm sure there are others on here more knowledgable about British pubs and their history, but it doesn't seem to make the list of the oldest in Britain if you google.
There is a "Blue Anchor" in Helston which claims to be one of the "oldest original inns"
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/famous-pub-blue-anchor-helston-3964218
and this blog says the brewery at the Blue Anchor in Helston is "perhaps the oldest private brewery"
https://historicalromanceuk.blogspot.com/2010/05/blue-anchor.html
However, they are talking about Helston - some 18 miles from Trennick. Is this where BATE owned the inn?
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The only information I have is from someone who wrote up a history for William Bate. It looks like it was taken from commercial directories for 1777 and 1781. The writeup says simply that he was "landord of the Blue Anchor in Truro" those years. So I don't know if that was for the pub in Helston or perhaps a different pub by the same name in Truro. He lived in Truro at the time. According to a commercial directory, the Bate & Conn Brewery was an entity in 1783. I haven't seen the directory entries though.
Thanks for the link to Historical Romance UK. I hadn't seen that site.
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I've got some info about trennick house I've done research before on it the place has been a passion of mine it did belong to the bates as you know it then belonged to lord Falmouth then truro city Council then demolished somewhere I do have a picture it was used as a single mother refuge my mum lived there in the 80s
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https://www.british-history.ac.uk/magna-britannia/vol3/pp51-67
See "St. Clements"
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The only information I have is from someone who wrote up a history for William Bate. It looks like it was taken from commercial directories for 1777 and 1781. The writeup says simply that he was "landord of the Blue Anchor in Truro" those years. So I don't know if that was for the pub in Helston or perhaps a different pub by the same name in Truro. He lived in Truro at the time. According to a commercial directory, the Bate & Conn Brewery was an entity in 1783. I haven't seen the directory entries though.
Thanks for the link to Historical Romance UK. I hadn't seen that site.
The Boscawen Family lived at Tregothnan, the seat of Viscount Falmouth.
In July 1857 the "Tregothnan Office" Truro, placed a notice advertising property in 6 Lots, To Let by Tender properties in the 'Borough of Truro', which included the Queen's Head an old established Inn in Lot 1 and the Blue Anchor Inn in Lot 2, with Shops, Dwelling Houses and Land.
The land in Lot 2 adjoined Lot 1
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Royal Cornwall Gazette, 14th March 1835
Household Furniture For Sale.
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, on Friday the 20th day of March instant, at Two o'clock in the Afternoon, at Mr. James Russell's, Anchor Inn, Truro, the following HOUSEHOLD ...
It didn't say Blue Anchor.
1849
The Truro Benefit Club held their dinner in the Market Place ...
which afforded much satisfaction, was supplied by Mr. Daniell, of the Blue Anchor Inn, Truro.
1804
CORNWALL
TO BE SOLD By AUCTION,
In LOTS,
At the Red Lion Inn, in Truro, on Saturday the 29th Day of September instant, at Five o'Clock in Afternoon,
A MOST eligible ESTATE called TRENNICK, situate in the parish of St. Clement, within a mile of the town of Truro aforesaid ; comprising a neat and commodius Dwelling House, with suitable Offices, fit for the residence of a genteel family, now in the possession of Mr William Bate, a Farm-House, with convenient Outhouses, and about 99 Acres of very rich Arable, Meadow, and Pasture Land, commanding a beautiful and extensive view of the River Fal, and the adjacent country.
The Premises are at present let in parcels to different tenants, for several terms.
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... Messrs Foote and Karslake, Attornies, South Molton, Devon.
Dated September 1, 1804.
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Thank you for your responses Justme1432, Hanes teulu, and BushInn1746.