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Hi all,
Wonder if anyone can help. My great grandmother is Annie Christie and I have birth, marriage and death cert all with her father as james Christie and mother Elizabeth devlin, but I can’t find any information on either of them. Can anyone point me the another direction I may not have tried. Annie was born in Scotland but it says her parents were married in Ireland, but finding nothing. Thanks for any help
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Hi and welcome to rootschat you would be better to add some dates and place names so others can help ..I did see this birth
Annie Christie
18 December 1869
Govan Lanarkshire
Father James Christie
Mother Elizabeth Devlin
Is this her ?
Rosie
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Hi
Possible sibling
Clemence Christie died 1899 Shetleston age 30 so born 1869 ,Mother's maiden name Devlin.
As you say no sign of a marriage.
There is a possiblilty that Elizabeth Christie who died at Burntisland 1922 is the mother but there is no maiden name.I'm sure you know about the James and Elizabeth Christire there who seem to be James Christie and Elizabeth Jack but do have a daughter Annie around the right age.It might help to look at her death and see if it has any more info.
Ciderdrinker
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A tree has a copy of the birth certificate for Annie Christie which says parents married 1868 Ireland but not seeing anything ???
Rosie
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Hi
Possible sibling
Clemence Christie died 1899 Shetleston age 30 so born 1869 ,Mother's maiden name Devlin.
As you say no sign of a marriage.
Ciderdrinker
Think this Clemence Christie is actually Clementina Corbisier she was married to a
James Patrick Christie
Rosie
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According to marriage certificate for Annie Christie both parents were deceased 1914
Rosie
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Thank you all,
This is what i have so far
My great gran parents Annie Christie born 18 dec 1869 to 29 oct 1929, she married Robert Henry mcinally on 18 dec 1914, he was born 3 June 1869 to 3 apr 1944.
Annies parents, my great great gran parents are james christie and Elizabeth devlin, they married June 1868.
Annie and Robert had 7 kids, William, Rebecca, david, james, Elizabeth, Hannah and my grandad Robert
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Ciderdrinker,
I have looked at this and i do think its connected but i cant find a connection to the devlin for proof that its right
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Annie's Scottish birth certificate should list place as well as date of parents' marriage so could you please let us know full details as well as family's religion?
With the above details it might be possible to find the marriage in Ireland.
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Annie's Scottish birth certificate should list place as well as date of parents' marriage so could you please let us know full details as well as family's religion?
With the above details it might be possible to find the marriage in Ireland.
Her birth certificate is on a tree on Ancestry to me the marriage date looks like 1868 January County Down
Rosie
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Annie's Scottish birth certificate should list place as well as date of parents' marriage so could you please let us know full details as well as family's religion?
With the above details it might be possible to find the marriage in Ireland.
Her birth certificate is on a tree on Ancestry to me the marriage date looks like 1868 January County Down
Ive got Annies birth cert nad it says Jan 1868 but cant make out date and yes ireland
Rosie
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Annie 1869 to 1929
Mother Elizabeth devlin 1836 to 1922
Her parent William Anderson 1816 to 1862 and margaret Wishart 1825 to 1896
William Anderson 1790 - ? And Janet ronald 1790 to 1843
Then onto Janet’s parents
John ronald 1754 - ? And jean Paterson 1754 to 1791
Willian ronald 1724 to 1802 and Elizabeth robertson 1727 to 1810
And it goes back
Hopefully I’ve got it right
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Annie 1869 to 1929
Mother Elizabeth devlin 1836 to 1922
Her parent William Anderson 1816 to 1862 and margaret Wishart 1825 to 1896
William Anderson 1790 - ? And Janet ronald 1790 to 1843
Then onto Janet’s parents
John ronald 1754 - ? And jean Paterson 1754 to 1791
Willian ronald 1724 to 1802 and Elizabeth robertson 1727 to 1810
And it goes back
Hopefully I’ve got it right
Do you mean that Elizabeth Devlin (1836-1922) is the daughter of William Anderson (1816-1862) & Margaret Wishart (1825-1896)?
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That’s what im finding but cant find any proof of it
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That’s what im finding but cant find any proof of it
Finding where? It looks as though you've got Elizabeth Devlin's family back to 1700s but have no proof? is this something you are copying from someone else's tree?
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There is a tree on Ancestry with this information ??? I don't think it relates to your Annie Christie ..According to marriage certificate for Annie both her parents are deceased 1914
So the Elizabeth Devlin death in 1922 can't be her mother
Occupation of her father on her marriage and death certificates he is a gas work labourer Stoker
Most tree's appear to have the wrong information for Annie Christie always better to check with the proper certificates from Scotland's People
Rosie
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Annie & Robert I know are correct as I’ve got all cert as it’s my great grandparents so I know Elizabeth declined & James Christie are her parents then I’ve tried Scotland people, Irish genealogy etc to to avail apart from find jack and Anderson. I’ve got 1851 census again it’s Elizabeth jack but with William Anderson as father as it says daughter not step daughter. Haha what a nightmare with the records back then
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I don't understand how you are jumping about with different names, etc. Let's start at the beginning.
Rosie17 has posted lots of information from certificates NOT muddled family trees.
Your great-grandmother:
Annie Christie, born 18 December 1869 Govan Lanarkshire
Father James Christie, Mother Elizabeth Devlin
Also on the certificate- "parents married 1868 Ireland"
Then, "According to marriage certificate for Annie Christie both parents were deceased 1914" and "Occupation of her father on her marriage and death certificates he is a gas work labourer Stoker."
So, have you found Annie Christie in all possible census records to check family details? I would expect she might be in 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 & 1911 before her marriage. Depending on how much before 1914 parents died you might also find them with Annie in many of those records. If the parents married in Ireland they might easily have been born in Ireland and having a more exact location should help when you are ready to search Irish records- the 1911 census is one most likely to record a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland' but you need to follow up every record.
Finding parents in census records will then narrow down when they died so you can then look up death certificates on Scotland's People (not what is on someone else's tree). Death certificates should list names of both parents so you can see if they died in Scotland or Ireland.
It is consuming but you need to trace all possible Scottish records since you don't have a location and marriage hasn't easily been found in Irish records.
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Not seeing any of them on the 1871 census perhaps they went back to Ireland
This is the birth for Ann Christie
20 May 1868
Burntisland Fife
Father James Christie
Mother Eliza Jack
Seems someone has put the wrong information on a tree and everyone has copied without
Checking
You seem to have the right certificates for Annie Christie with mother as Devlin
Rosie
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1901 census address 58 Castlebank Street Partick
Robert McInally age 31 born Ireland coal salesman
Annie McInally age 30 born Partick
Robert age 12 born Partick possible birth as Christie 1889
Rebecca 6,David 4,James 3,Lizzie 1 all born Partick
Rosie
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1901 census address 58 Castlebank Street Partick
Robert McInally age 31 born Ireland coal salesman
Annie McInally age 30 born Partick
Robert age 12 born Partick possible birth as Christie 1889
Rebecca 6,David 4,James 3,Lizzie 1 all born Partick
Rosie
So how does this fit?
My great gran parents Annie Christie born 18 dec 1869 to 29 oct 1929, she married Robert Henry mcinally on 18 dec 1914, he was born 3 June 1869 to 3 apr 1944.
Annies parents, my great great gran parents are james christie and Elizabeth devlin, they married June 1868.
Annie and Robert had 7 kids, William, Rebecca, david, james, Elizabeth, Hannah and my grandad Robert
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This is the birth for Ann Christie
20 May 1868
Burntisland Fife
Father James Christie
Mother Eliza Jack
Seems someone has put the wrong information on a tree and everyone has copied without
Checking
For info. Here is the above Ann Christie (mn Jack) on 1871 census with her parents and siblings
Address: Kirkton
Occupation: Join
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 75
James Christie 50 Head occ joiner
Elisth Christie 35 Wife
Margaret Christie 10 Daughter
David Christie 9 Son
James Christie 7 Daughter
Elisa Christie 6 Daughter
James Christie 5 Son
Mary Christie 4 Daughter
Ann Christie 2 Daughter
Andrew Christie 3 Mo Son
Andrew Christie
Birth 5 Jan 1871 Burntisland,Fife,Scotland
Father: James Christie
Mother: Elizabeth Jack
Not seeing any of them on the 1871 census perhaps they went back to Ireland
You seem to have the right certificates for Annie Christie with mother as Devlin
I can’t see them either ???
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Not even seeing any other children born in Scotland for this couple ..Might be worth checking births in Ireland
Rosie
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That’s what im finding but cant find any proof of it
Well if you look at the dates alone you will see that unless the mother was 11 when she had the child this would not be possible.
'Do you mean that Elizabeth Devlin (1836-1922) is the daughter of William Anderson (1816-1862) & Margaret Wishart (1825-1896)?"
It would be more likely that William could be the father, aged 20 but unlikely that Margaret Wishart was the mother as her age would be 11.
Some thing has gone wrong with these ideas.
I know that others have had various good ideas.....my suggestion is that you do a slow but sure stepping back from you, to parents, grandparents etc. Get the documents, examine them as even with those closest to you you may find things you did not know beforehand.
Make sure to check the ages write them down beside the dates......so you don't have 11 year olds being married and giving birth.....or if you do write up and say why you know it is true so we don't have to counter these seemingly mistakes.
My other big tip is to stay away from the family trees of others until you have a good idea of your own.
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Good advice from shanreagh above
After reading the post over again one question I was going to ask when and where was you Grandfather born and do you have your Grandfathers birth certificate?
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Hello
I do wonder where were Annie is in 1891 census.She should have a son Robert born 1889 at Partick.
The birth looks like it is regiistered as Christie in 1888 or 1889 .
Could that address and other details help ?
As it is there is her birth 1869 then the 1901 census .
She and Robert don't marry until 1914 -why?
Is one of them already married and their spouse doesn't die till 1914.Can't see a marriage for Robert but there are several possibilities for Annie.
I'm just wondering because they may have relatives with them on the 1891.
Ciderdrinker
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This seems to be the problem finding Annie and her son on the 1891 census not seeing Robert the father either .
The birth certificate states Robert Christie was born 1889 Muirhead Street Partick birth registered by his Mother Annie Christie
Marriage certificate in 1914 states they were both single
Rosie
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There was a correction insert relating to paternity of Robert the child of Annie & Robert.
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This seems to be the problem finding Annie and her son on the 1891 census not seeing Robert the father either .
They do seem pretty elusive ???
The birth certificate states Robert Christie was born 1889 Muirhead Street Partick birth registered by his Mother Annie Christie
Marriage certificate in 1914 states they were both single
Thank you Rosie
1901 census address 58 Castlebank Street Partick
Robert McInally age 31 born Ireland coal salesman
Annie McInally age 30 born Partick
Robert age 12 born Partick possible birth as Christie 1889
Rebecca 6,
David 4,
James 3,
Lizzie 1 all born Partick
Not that this helps finding Robert, Annie & Robert in 1891 not sure if this is going to confuse matters
Do these relate to the McInally family from 1901 census above?
James Stokes McInally
Regiment: Princess Victoria's (Royal Irish Fusiliers)
Regimental Number: 27531
Death Date: 3 Jun 1918
Death Place: France
Birth Place: Lanark, Scotland
Ireland, World War I Casualties, 1914-1922
James Stokes McInally
Rank: Pte
Record Type: Card
Death Date: 3 Jun 1918
Service Number: 27531
Corps, Regiment or Unit: R. Irish Fus:
Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description: Other Ranks Died McHugh J-McIntosh-Reid W
Reference Number: 1/D/13167.
Next of Kin:
Annie Christie McInally Mother
Robert McInally Father
The above image is on Fold3 - sorry don't have a sub to look at the details
UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
James Stokes McInally
Enlistment Age: 17
Document Date: 1916
Residence Place: 41 Wilson Street, Glasgow West
Relationship to Soldier: Self (Head)
Regimental Number: 1076
Number of Images: 27
Form Title: Attestation
Family Members:
Robert Henry Father
Annie mother
Full blood Siblings
Robert 20
David 22
Hannah 13
Declaration signed by Annie McInally 25 Nov 1916
UK, British Army World War I Service Records, 1914-1920
David McInally
Enlistment Age: 18
Document Date: 1917
Residence Place: 41 Wilson St, Partick Glasgow
Regimental Number: 30218
Regiment Name: King's Own Scottish Borders
Number of Images: 57
Form Title: Record of Service
Relation to Soldier
Robert McInally Father
On one of the pages from the above Army record there is a letter dated 30 7 18 from Mrs A McInally same address she is writing regarding her son Pte ? McInally 7566 1st H.L. ? saying its a long time since she’s heard from him and wanting to know if he was alive and well and also regarding second son Pte D McInally 30248 K.O.S saying I am getting his letter returned back to me, she kindly wants his proper address.
from Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Register
Year 1921
41 Wilson Street, Partick
Robert M’Inally Snr
Robert
David
Year 1924/1926
41 Wilson Street, Partick
Robert M’Inally
Mrs Annie
Robert Jnr.
David
Year 1928
41 Wilson Street, Partick
Mrs Annie M’Inally
David
Robert
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Yes Ladyhawk that is the family
Rosie
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Apart from Robert Henry?Hendry were the children registered as Christie.
CHRISTIE
REBECCA JANE
F
1895
644/8 524
Milton
John
added
CHRISTIE
JAMES STOKES
M
1898
644/10 1289
Anderston
CHRISTIE
WILLIAM JOHN
M
1892
646/3 399
Partick
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Children all illegitimate statutory records as Christie and Macinally
Rosie
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Could this be a possibility for Annie & Robert Christie/McInally on 1891 census ???
Annie McKinley Age: 19
Relationship: Visitor
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 646/3 Registration district: Partick. Civil parish: Govan County: Lanarkshire
Address: 104 Castlebank St
Occupation: Power Loom Weaver
Eliza Haggerty 40 Head
Mary Haggerty 9 Daugh
Cath Haggerty 4 Daugh
Annie McKinley 19 Visitor
Robt McKinley 2 Visitor Partick, Lanarkshire
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Could this be a possibility for Annie & Robert Christie/McInally on 1891 census ???
Annie McKinley Age: 19
Relationship: Visitor
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 646/3 Registration district: Partick. Civil parish: Govan County: Lanarkshire
Address: 104 Castlebank St
Occupation: Power Loom Weaver
Eliza Haggerty 40 Head
Mary Haggerty 9 Daugh
Cath Haggerty 4 Daugh
Annie McKinley 19 Visitor
Robt McKinley 2 Visitor Partick, Lanarkshire
Was thinking the same Ladyhawk have found Elizabeth Haggerty on the 1881 Census at
1 Well Street Partick Lanarkshire
James Haggarty age 23 chimney sweep
Elizabeth Haggarty age 30 born Ireland wife
Ann Haggarty age 11 born Partick daughter
Margaret Haggarty age 6 born Partick daughter
There is a birth for a Mary Haggerty 7 October 1881 Partick
Father James Haggarty
Mother Elizabeth Devlin Kenovan Haggarty ?
1901 Census Mary Haggarty is a visitor at 16 East Vale Place Kelvinhaugh Glasgow
A bit more investigation here I think looks promising
Rosie
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have found Elizabeth Haggerty on the 1881 Census at
1 Well Street Partick Lanarkshire
James Haggarty age 23 chimney sweep
Elizabeth Haggarty age 30 born Ireland wife
Ann Haggarty age 11 born Partick daughter
Margaret Haggarty age 6 born Partick daughter
Well found rosie
some info. removed as I thought I was adding a new reply and seem to have removed my reply from this post ::)
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Elizabeth Black Devlin death 1933 Kelvin
Mothers maiden name Devlin
Certificates would need to be checked ?
Rosie
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A daughter born 1900 East Vale Place Kelvinhaugh for Annie Christie same address as the census record for Mary Haggarty in 1901 census so definitely a connection
Rosie
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Death for Elizabeth Devlin 1894 Partick age 47 single charwoman
Address Castlebank Street
Daughter Elizabeth Young registered the death
Rosie
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For info. here are the birth baptism records for
Mary Haggerty
Father James
Mother Elizabeth Devlin
Birth date 22 Jul 1881
Baptism date 04 Aug 1881 St Peter Glasgow Partick
Denomination Roman Catholic
Record set Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Elizab Black Devlin
Mother Elizabeth Devlin
Birth date 27 Apr 1865
Baptism date ? Aug 1865
Denomination Roman Catholic
Parish St Mary Immaculate
Record set Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Most of the other records have Lawful written after the child's christian name
Mary’s is blank and noted with a dash - and Elizabeth Black Delvin is left blank
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I haven't read the full 5 pages of your thread - but - from 1960 in Liverpool - The Jimmy Devlin Showband were an active band of 7 members - I think 3 or 4 were Devlins - according to a website they were from Cookstown in County Tyrone
quote from Irish showbands site
The first mention we can find of Jimmy Devlin's Grafton Showband was in early 1960, but we are not 100% sure when the band based in Cookstown, Co Tyrone
when in Cookstown , Ireland they were the Grafton Showband
https://www.irish-showbands.com/images/paddyleonard/grafton1-plx.htm
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I have just read all the posts - I thought you were looking for Devlin family ORIGINS - so - ignore my post - :)
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Sorry I’m relatively new to all this but how have we got from my great gran Annie Christie born 1869 to 1929 and her mother Elizabeth Devlin to haggartys & youngs. Help.
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Sorry I’m relatively new to all this but how have we got from my great gran Annie Christie born 1869 to 1929 and her mother Elizabeth Devlin to haggartys & youngs. Help.
Trying to find your great gran on census records before 1901 the record on the 1891 census is a strong possibility she is recorded as Annie McKinley which could be mistaken to McInally her birth place and year is the same as Annie Christie .She also has a son Robt McKinley again the same year and birth place ..They were visitors in the house of Elizabeth Haggarty who appears to have never married and was actually Elizabeth Devlin
There are certificates on a tree on Ancestry relating to addresses mentioned for Annie Christie so obviously a connection ..Is it your tree that has all the birth certificates for The Family of Annie and Robert McInally ? ..There is a daughter Elizabeth born 1900 at
16 East Vale Place Glasgow same home as Elizabeth Black Young maiden name Devlin which I would say is the sister of Annie Christie
Rosie
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Yes I’ve got certificates as Annie Christie is my great gran, she married Robert Mcinally, their son Robert is my grandad he married Mary Ewing & they had my mum.
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Yes I’ve got certificates as Annie Christie is my great gran, she married Robert Mcinally, their son Robert is my grandad he married Mary Ewing & they had my mum.
So are the addresses mentioned familiar to you Annie Christie can not be found on any census records in Scotland but she can be found as Ann Haggarty 1881 with her mother Elizabeth Hagarty /Devlin ..
Rosie
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On Annie Christie’s birth, marriage and death certificates it says mother Elizabeth devlin, do you think that was a married name and her maiden name was actually haggarty.
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On Annie Christie’s birth, marriage and death certificates it says mother Elizabeth devlin, do you think that was a married name and her maiden name was actually haggarty.
No on certificates her mother's maiden name is Devlin I would say Elizabeth Devlin was never married to James Christie ..A marriage has never been found in Ireland for this couple and no date for the marriage just January which is unusual
Rosie
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I found this on another tree
Elizabeth Poland devlin kenovan haggarty 1841 Ireland to dec 1894 Patrick
Husbands
John kenovan 1840
Michael black 1840
James haggarty 1857 to 1892
Children
Elizabeth black devlin 1865 to 1933
Ann devlin or haggarty 1870
Margaret devlin 1875 to 1940
Mary devlin or haggarty 1881 to 1921
Catherine devlin or haggarty 1886 to 1903
Then I have Annie Christie 1869 to 1929
Husband Robert Mcinally
Help me to where the Christie fits in please. Did elizabeth have a child with james Christie, it says on Annie’s birth certificate that they married in Jan 1868, which would be in between Elizabeth & ann.
hope this makes sense.
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First of all don't copy anything from trees unless they have the original certificates from Scotland's People ..I did see the tree you were talking about
You have the right birth certificate for your Annie Christie with mother as Elizabeth Devlin James Christie is most probably the father but no wedding certificate ???
As I said before Annie Christie can not be found on census records as a Christie but on other records as a Haggarty with a mother Elizabeth Devlin ..Elizabeth Devlin has had a few children and been single but used the name Haggarty on census records ..Her death was registered by her daughter Elizabeth Black Young and she was single
Rosie
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Thank you Rosie, you’ve all been a great help. Little gem of a site x
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My great gran parents Annie Christie born 18 dec 1869 to 29 oct 1929
Annies parents, my great great gran parents are james christie and Elizabeth devlin
Do you think this could be a possible Catholic baptism for Annie Christie in 1873 at St Peter Glasgow?
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Is it a different Ann Christie with parents named as James Christie and Eliza Devlin?
The year 1869 is correct but the month is Oct and day 29th ???
Possible brother named James
All the other baptisms on this page have lawful written after the Childs christian name Ann & James are blank
I wish there were occupations given for father and an address
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have found Elizabeth Haggerty on the 1881 Census at
1 Well Street Partick Lanarkshire
James Haggarty age 23 chimney sweep
Elizabeth Haggarty age 30 born Ireland wife
Ann Haggarty age 11 born Partick daughter
Margaret Haggarty age 6 born Partick daughter
This appears to be the above James Haggerty on the 1871 census he has the same occupation
James Hagerty Age: 13
Relationship: Son
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Address: 62 Bridge St
Occupation: Sweep
Mary Hagerty Head widow 38 Ireland, Bleacher
Catherine Hagerty Dau 12 Partick
Mary Hagerty Dau 5 Partick
Charles Hagerty son 1 Partick
And James with his mother Mary & sister Catherine 1861 census
James Haggerty age 3
Relationship: Son
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Castlebank St
Mary Haggerty Head 34 born Ireland
Catherine Haggerty dau 11 Mo Born Partick
Their mother looks to be mn Devlin, father named Charles although have not found a baptism for James b1858 & Mary b1866 to confirm same mn as Catherine & Charles
Catharine Heegarty
Father Charles Mother Mary Devlin
Birth 1 Jun 1860
Bapt 4 Jun 1860 St Peter, Glasgow, Roman Catholic
Charles Hagerty
Father Charles Mother Mary Devlin
Birth 4 July 1869
Bapt 19 Jul 1869 Peter, Partick, Roman Catholic
marriage entry on SP
DEVLIN MARY
HAGGARTY CHARLES
1857
646/2 18 Partick