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Title: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Saturday 26 March 22 21:43 GMT (UK)
Parents. Godfrey Ferry & Mary O’Donnell
9 children Patrick, Mary, Andrew, Michael, Francis, Godfrey, Hugh, Bridget & Alice. I have been able to find birth & death for all children except Andrew. 
Anthony married Mary McBride in Scotland & I have the marriage certificate

The family immigrated to Canada in 1913 from Dunbarton Scotland. One of the children Catherine McBride Ferrie ? was my grandmother.

Any information about Andrew would be welcomed. Thanks
Leslie

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 26 March 22 22:13 GMT (UK)
Parents married 1864-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11626/8280317.pdf
Death of father Godfrey- note details of both informants-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1929/04928/4338300.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1929/04928/4338299.pdf

Brother Patrick born 1865 (note father's residence)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03553/2307986.pdf

Sister Mary born 1869-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03409/2250135.pdf

Brother Michael born 1875-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03080/2129079.pdf

Brother Godfrey born 1878-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02953/2081782.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1954/04446/4162841.pdf

Brother Hugh born 1881-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02828/2037131.pdf

Sister Alice born 1886-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02614/1965021.pdf

? Brother Francis married 1897-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10442/5802537.pdf
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 26 March 22 22:24 GMT (UK)
Godfrey & wife Mary here in 1911- 10 children/7 living-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Dunglow/Crohyboyle/487967/

https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/boylagh/templecrone/dunglow/crohyboyle/

Have you tried searching the Parish registers for the 'missing' children?
https://registers.nli.ie/
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Saturday 26 March 22 22:41 GMT (UK)
Hugh Ferry also immigrated to USA. Hugh was living with Andrew & Mary in one of the census.

I have not looked at the missing children. Not sure what it is.

Leslie

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 26 March 22 22:46 GMT (UK)
The 1911 census says there were 10 children. You've listed only 9 but not found Anthony/Andrew's birth registration. I only found 6 children in civil registers. It might be that baptismal records will give a more complete list of the family.
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Saturday 26 March 22 22:53 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I have found info on 8 children. I will look at the 1911 census.
Leslie

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 10:07 BST (UK)
Quote from: getstarted on Saturday 26 March 22 22:53 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I have found info on 8 children. I will look at the 1911 census.
Leslie

It's the church records you need to check once you've searched the civil registrations thoroughly.
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 27 March 22 12:25 BST (UK)
There is this  death
Andrew Ferrie
Birth 1870 says Scotland ?
Died 6 December 1918 age 48 years
Trail British Columbia Canada

Find a grave also has his burial also mention of wife Mary 2 of his children
Margaret and Robert

Rosie
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 27 March 22 12:37 BST (UK)
1921 census address 42,Farrell Street Trail British Columbia
Mary Ferry age 52 years ( widowed )
Helen Ferry 16 years

Alice Ferry 14 years

Annie Ferry 12 years
All born Scotland

Rosie
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 13:09 BST (UK)
A few Andrew Ferrie births in Scotland- nothing under Anthony Ferry/Ferrie
FERRIE ANDREW 1869 (573/1 425) Paisley High Church
FERRIE ANDREW BROWNLIE 1870 (559/1 514) Abbey Burgh
FERRIE ANDREW 1876 (644/7 255) Blythswood

Helen?
FERRY HELEN MCBRIDE 1904 (495/ 160) Cumbernauld
Alice?
FERRY ALICE 1906 (495/ 115) Cumbernauld
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 27 March 22 13:32 BST (UK)
Immigration record has his birth as Ireland with mention of the three children mentioned on the 1921 census

There is also another Andrew Ferrie in Canada born Paisley probably the birth you found
aghadowey 1869


Rosie
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 13:35 BST (UK)
Alice Ferrie, daughter of Anthony Ferrie (deceased, born _ Ireland) & Mary McBride (born Glasgow, Scotland), m.1923-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD89-RG4

Unfortunately Andrew Ferrie's death certificate doesn't list parents- age given as 48 in 1918 (born c1870) but gravestone says 1860-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127860182/andrew-ferrie
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 13:39 BST (UK)
Daughter Helen's death-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLBL-NMK

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127860183/mary-ferrie

A son Robert for Andrew Ferrie & Mary McBride-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127860184/robert-ferrie

and a daughter Margaret-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127860176/margaret-donaughy
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 13:50 BST (UK)
Marriage- will list names of both parents. Son Robert supposed to be born 1893  ???
MCBRIDE MARY to FERRY ANTHONY 1895 (483/ 27) Kilsyth

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Sunday 27 March 22 14:41 BST (UK)
Thank you
I have the information on Andrew’s family once they arrived in Canada. Andrew died of the Spanish flu in 1918. He worked the mine in Trail, BC.
I will look for the missing child for my records thru the church.

The marriage certificate does state his parents and his birth name could have been Anthony. I know names were often changed or shortened. My grandmother was Catherine McBride but her records all state Kate.
Leslie
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 15:52 BST (UK)
It would probably have made things easier if you told us all the details you already had found. Yes, nicknames (like Kate for Catherine) aren't uncommon but Anthony/Andrew for the same person is not. However, maternal grandfather was Anthony.

Let's start with a possible birthdate. Luckily parents married in 1864 so he was likely born after registration of births. From Canada we now have two different years- 1860 and 1870. What ages was he in Scottish records?
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Sunday 27 March 22 16:18 BST (UK)
I have seen the grave markers but all other documents point to a 1870 / 1871 birth. Passenger list for immigration in 1913 says 42 yrs. 1901 census in Scotland says 30 yrs.

I think 1870/71 is the closest.
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 27 March 22 17:35 BST (UK)
Was Andrew or wife married before (given the marriage year of 1895) ? For background here, the family in the 1901 census in Scotland:

Andrew Ferrie 30 coal miner b. Ireland
Mary Ferrie 34 b. Glasgow
Maggie Ferrie 11
Robert Ferrie 8
Patrick Ferrie 4
Mary Ferrie 2
Kate Ferrie 11 months
Hugh Ferrie 22 Brother coal miner b. Ireland

Address: West Barbeth, Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire

Monica
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Sunday 27 March 22 19:34 BST (UK)
the marriage certificate for Anthony Ferry & Mary McBride 1895 state Spinster & Bachelor.

I think Margaret (Maggie) and Robert might have been illegitimate  I can not find anything close for Margaret 1889 but I found a Robert Mulholland McBride 22 June 1882 I think is Robert.  Mother Mary McBride Smithstone Road Cumbernauld

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 March 22 21:17 BST (UK)
Only a short run of Dungloe baptisms online- (Nov.1876-Feb.1881)- only found young Godfrey
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1013
Doesn’t look like any earlier ones available-
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=1013&parish=Dungloe
I also looked through the neighbouring parishes but either found nothing or records incomplete.

Had a look at the children again- parents married Nov.1864 so Patrick likely the eldest-
1. Patrick 18 Nov.1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03553/2307986.pdf
2. Mary 17 Jan.1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03409/2250135.pdf
3. Michael 9 Dec.1875
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03080/2129079.pdf
4. Godfrey 27 Aug.1878
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02953/2081782.pdf
baptism https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631936#page/17/mode/1up
5. Hugh 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02828/2037131.pdf
6. Alice 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02614/1965021.pdf

There's also son Francis to fit in as well as Andrew/Anthony but lots of gaps.

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 27 March 22 22:13 BST (UK)
Quote from: getstarted on Sunday 27 March 22 19:34 BST (UK)
the marriage certificate for Anthony Ferry & Mary McBride 1895 state Spinster & Bachelor.

I think Margaret (Maggie) and Robert might have been illegitimate  I can not find anything close for Margaret 1889 but I found a Robert Mulholland McBride 22 June 1882 I think is Robert.  Mother Mary McBride Smithstone Road Cumbernauld

Possible birth for a Maggie McBride 1889 Cumbernauld


Rosie
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: getstarted on Wednesday 30 March 22 17:13 BST (UK)
I have found the 10th child - Michael Ferry Born October 28, 1890 
Died March 23 1891 - Chronic Bronchitis

This is then the information from Mary Ferry (mother) 1911
10 Births - 7 living in 1911.

Still cannot find Anthony/Andrew Ferry abt 1871 

Thank you for all the help
Leslie

Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 30 March 22 18:50 BST (UK)
Quote from: getstarted on Wednesday 30 March 22 17:13 BST (UK)
I have found the 10th child - Michael Ferry Born October 28, 1890 
Died March 23 1891 - Chronic Bronchitis
This is then the information from Mary Ferry (mother) 1911
10 Births - 7 living in 1911.
Still cannot find Anthony/Andrew Ferry abt 1871 
Thank you for all the help
Leslie

Then it's likely that the son Michael born in 1875 had died before 1890.
It's looking like Andrew's birth didn't get registered.
Title: Re: Searching for Andrew (Anthony) Ferrie. Born abt 1871 Donegal
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 30 March 22 20:35 BST (UK)
Quote from: aghadowey on Wednesday 30 March 22 18:50 BST (UK)

Then it's likely that the son Michael born in 1875 had died before 1890.


The first Michael Ferry died in 1877 at Croaghboyle (sic).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020548/7210454.pdf

See reply #2 for the townland link to Crohyboyle .