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Title: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: MUMMYG on Wednesday 16 March 22 23:51 GMT (UK)
Anyone got access to these? I can't seem to find a Catharine Howard born 1844 Ormskirk, parents Robert and Jane,  in 1851 they lived in Aughton Street, father was a carter.

Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: michaelcharles on Thursday 17 March 22 11:20 GMT (UK)
England & Wales Civil Registration Birth Index 1837-1915. Birth registered 2nd. quarter.
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 17 March 22 11:57 GMT (UK)
Poster is asking for RC baptism entry
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: heywood on Thursday 17 March 22 12:04 GMT (UK)
There looks to be a gap in records in the archives

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ormskirk/StAnne

https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/67389/O.pdf
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Thursday 17 March 22 14:50 GMT (UK)
There was a Catherine ANN Howard b. 3 Sept 1844, who was baptised 6th April 1845 at Lowestoft in Suffolk = could that possibly have been the lass? Parents given there as Robert and Jne.
TY
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: heywood on Thursday 17 March 22 15:27 GMT (UK)
Just for information
1851 2197 /341 /17

Catharine Howard 7 yrs b Ormskirk with parents Robert (b Ormskirk) and Jane. (b Liverpool).

1861 she is Catherine.

GRO has this birth
1843 June quarter Ormskirk - Catherine Howard mmn McKenrie

I suppose that surname could be spelled wrongly - McKenzie /McHenry maybe  ???
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: MUMMYG on Thursday 17 March 22 17:22 GMT (UK)
Yes, Heywood I get those two spelling for mother too. I hope the baptism will tell me which is true. Wonder why there's a gap in records, perhaps their history group can tell me. I'll let you know.

Some places she's Catharine and some Catherine.
and no not Suffolk, Ormskirk then St Helens, Lancashire only

Thanks everyone anyway   :-\
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: heywood on Thursday 17 March 22 17:33 GMT (UK)
If the spelling is in Latin it might be different again.
It is probably just an interpretation by whoever wrote it down at the time. :)

Do you have a marriage for her parents?
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: heywood on Thursday 17 March 22 17:49 GMT (UK)
I see there is another candidate for Catherine b Ormskirk - Cathrine with mmn Anderson

There is a marriage for Robert Howard and Jane Anderson (nee Garner)
This Robert is a Cordwainer in 1844.
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: MUMMYG on Thursday 17 March 22 19:26 GMT (UK)
Latin is the reason I reckon

I settled on the Anderson mother actually, she was a widow, her maiden name Garner. They were married at Holy Trinity Liverpool then are found in Ormskirk, then moved to St Helens where they settled. I should say that I got the fathers name from her marriage record and then looked for that in Ormskirk and St Helens.

I messaged  Ormskirk District Family History group and they say the records for Christenings in Ormskirk Library seem to get thinner at the end of the first book, perhaps they were damaged, also Lydiate records are missing the same years strangely. She's also checked the Lancashire archives and it is the same there.

She gave me a tip, to write to Douai Abbey Berkshire because they hold some copies of Benedictine records and may have these. If anyone else is looking.

Looks like a dead end though.
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 18 March 22 15:39 GMT (UK)
Did Catherine have any siblings?
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: MUMMYG on Friday 18 March 22 22:54 GMT (UK)
None that I found
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 19 March 22 01:53 GMT (UK)
Sorry for sending you to Suffolk in error
Ty
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: MUMMYG on Saturday 19 March 22 02:09 GMT (UK)
That's fine, thanks for trying :)
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 19 March 22 11:18 GMT (UK)
I see there is another candidate for Catherine b Ormskirk - Cathrine with mmn Anderson

There is a marriage for Robert Howard and Jane Anderson (nee Garner)
This Robert is a Cordwainer in 1844.


The Robert on 1851 census was a carter.
Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: heywood on Saturday 19 March 22 11:54 GMT (UK)
In 1861 2754 /34/9 he is a Farm Labourer.

There are a couple of newspaper snippets 1857 which mentions a Robert Howard and Thomas Charnock and selling/carting coal. I can’t see the articles so not sure. It might, of course, not be the same Robert.

I just wonder if he sought work wherever he could.

There is a Thomas Charnock, coal Carter in 1851.

Title: Re: Ormskirk RC Baps
Post by: MUMMYG on Saturday 19 March 22 22:59 GMT (UK)
Yeah, still gathering onfo for them of course but Catherines father was a shoemaker/cordwainer and so was her uncle, family trade by the looks of it. In 1851 Robert was then a carter and in 61 when they moved to Sutton he was a farmworker (probably carter) there also.  I think I will send for the civil record of Catherine's birth and see what it says there. It must be the correct girl though, she married a man who was born in Preston and this combination of names and birthplaces is not usual in the town they settled. It stands out,  for those parents to move there with that daughter, it's the only way they could have met because her husband was never in Ormskirk.
The marriage of her parents Robert/ Jane, he a cordwainer was at Holy Trinity, Liverpool, his father a joiner,  her father was a painter, she was from Liverpool and he Ormskirk although living in Liverpool then.

Thanks heywood for that newspaper info I will take a look around for it.