RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Slipper on Wednesday 16 March 22 08:29 GMT (UK)
-
I'm looking at a 1657 oral Will for Thomas Holburrowe of Sherston. A couple of things puzzle me and I'm wondering if anyone has come across them before.
Firstly, he leaves all his belongings to his wife "to buy my liveing for my eldest and youngest son". Does this imply that he had more than 2 sons and left everything to the eldest and youngest or as son is in the singular is it a way of saying only son?
Secondly, he declares his Will in the hearing of "the sons whose names are underwritten. Elbright Neale, John Holburrowe, Giles Rodway, Nathaniel Osbourne". As 3 of these have different surnames does son include son-in-law?
All thoughts gratefully received! Thanks
Slipper
-
Can you please post snippets of the areas in question from the will so they can be seen in situ?
It is very difficult to make any judgement without seeing the original bits.
-
I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that.
Slipper
-
Just checking on Forest of Dean Family History Forum - which has transcribed Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730 - 1823 in case the names you mention are family names.
I have however, so far found this entry : Sherston, Wilts inc (there are quite a few)
3 October 1678
Elizabeth HOWBOROUGHT - aged 28 (c1650) residence: Sherston, Wilts
to
John WALKER - Gentleman - residence: Horton
Event type : Marriage Allegation
---
28 November 1804, William HOBROW aged 25, Bachelor, Yeoman, residence: Sherston
Jane DAY, over 21 - Spinster, residence: King Stanley, marriage Licence to marry at King Stanley
-
Forest of Dean Marriage Allegations/Licence
Have so far one name mentioned in the Will
11 December 1666
Albright NEALE, aged 32, Yeoman, (c1634)
Groom Residence: Sheston, Wilts
Margery ADEY - (Widow)
residence: Thornebury
By Licence: He signs
Marriage Allegation
Bondsman: Joseph PROUT, Haukesbury, Clothier
---
? Who was Margery's first husband
-
If you Google
Sherston Magna Marriages 1653-1812 The Wiltshire OPC - There is a Spreadsheet.
Use the find button and there are a few Holb.... (variations of surname) marriages.
e.g. Ann HOLBOROW - of Sherstone Magna to Thomas CURNOCKE, of Didmarton, Glos
29 September 1662
(just search HOLB)
-
Can you please post snippets of the areas in question from the will so they can be seen in situ?
It is very difficult to make any judgement without seeing the original bits.
Here it is ...
-
It’s hard to know what to make of ... my eldest, and youngest sonne, but the reading is correct.
The later part reads ... in the hearing of the p(er)sons whose names are underwritten
(Immediately before ...sons there is a letter p with a looped descender – an abbreviation for per, which is often found at this period.)
-
Bookbox - thank you so much for your "persons". I can see it now and it makes a lot more sense!
Capetown - thank you for these. I will certainly check on widow Margery Adey and also look at the spreadsheet.
Slipper
-
If you Google:
Wiltshire notes and queries - The Well House Collection
On Page 17
Sherstone Manor Rolls
(Continued from P 540)
Rolls Xa
8 October 1677
Grant to Holborow - To this Court came Ann HOLBOROUGH Widow who held of the land by Copy Roll dated 4 Oct., 17 Charles II a messuage or tenement, and a toft of a cottage and two virgates of land, and one Le Lott underwood to which belong 69 acres and 1 rood of land meadow and pasture, whereof 3 acres 1 roof are pasture and lie ine a close called Wake, 5 acres are meadow and lie in a close behind the sd. tenement, and 61 acres of arable land and meadow previously etc. etc.
It carries on to the next page a long paragraph and includes Ann's Son's Joseph.
-
In the same book on page 19 under Sherston Manor Rolls
Grant to Christoper IDDOLS - it mentions ...... Henry HOLBOROW, son of William HOLBOROW of Oldbury-on-the-hill, in co. oc Clouc. Yeoman etc.
-
This is all so useful, Capetown and I wouldn't have found it on my own. Thanks very much.
Slipper
-
Slipper
If you Google
Wiltshire Parish Registers - Marriages volume 1 - UK
(UK Genealogy Archives)
There are the marriages at Sherstone Magna 1653-1812
16 April 1657
John HOBOROW, husbandman, of Atherley, Glouc., & Hester VENN "were married in the county of Glouc.
also under
AGREEMENTS OF MARRIAGE - between persons whose Marriages are not recorded in the Sherston Register (1654-1656)
Agreement of Marriage between: -
Thomas, sonne of Thomas HOLBOROW, yeoman of this parish & Ann, d of Sarah Neale, of Hinton, in the parish of Derham Glouc. published Oct 16, Nov 2 and 9, 1656.
---
There may be more, haven't gone through the pages etc.
-
Thanks again!
Slipper
-
Can you please post snippets of the areas in question from the will so they can be seen in situ?
It is very difficult to make any judgement without seeing the original bits.
I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that.
Slipper
There is a board here on Rootschat especially for deciphering documents.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/
You need to 'snip' the piece you want, as Bookbox did, using 'snipping tool', and then attach it to a post - there is a button at the bottom of every new post under 'attachments'.
-
Thank you.
Slipper
-
back to the marriage banns of Thomas HOLBOROW to Ann NEALE of Derham, (called O/N/D 1656)
daughter of Sarah NEALE of Hinton.
National Archives shows a Will, (Pregorative Court of Canterbury) for
William NEALE - Yeoman of Dyrham, Glos. Dated 16 May 1655
followed by in 1658
Short Title: Best v Neale, Plaintiffs: Robert Best. Defendants: Sarah NEALE,* Widow .... Subject property in Durham Glos. etc.
*Ann NEALE's mother.
---
Family Search has a burial of Thomas HOLBOROW - 20 August 1670, Hinton Gloucestershire.
Gloucesterhire Genelogical Database shows a Will dated 1723 for Thomas HOLBOROW of Dyrham, Yeoman.
-
Thanks Capetown. I know about these but I don't know if there's a relationship to the Thomas of the Will!
-
Assume you have used Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608 (Not sure if Wiltshire had Men in Armour 1608)
https://coaley.net
(under Local History)
Hawkesbury (South Glos., Chipping Sodbury)
John HOLBOROE has one musket furnished. subsidy man
Thomas HOLBOROE servant to John HOLBOROE husbandman A20. middle stature
William HOLBOROE husbandman, son of Henry HOLBOROE A20 lower stature
Henry HOLBOROWE the younger husbandman A60 middle stature. subsidy man
Didmarton and Oldbury (Badminton)
William HOLBOROWE husbandman. A20 lower stature
Ralph HOLBOROWE husbandman, A20 lower stature
(Didmarton, only 3.5 miles from the family you are researching)
Olvestone (South Glos. Thornbury)
there are HOLBROOKE's
Bitton and Hanham (South Glos. Keynsham)
There are Holborn
Moreton (South Glos. Thornbury)
There is a HOLBORNE
----
As you know, Farmers married off their daughters to other Farmer's sons - for the land.
-
Found another marriage allegation on the Forest of Dean records
Again think the family are marrying off to enhance their land....
4 Februry 1712
Henry HOLBOROUGH - residence : SHIRSTONE (as spelt)
Sarah HOLBOROUGH
marriage allegations (sworn before Mr Bliss)
transcriber's notes: Old style date 1711/12
-
Capetown, I haven't found a Men and Armour for Wiltshire so presumably it doesn't exist which is a shame as my Holborows seem to be around the Gloucestershire/Wiltshire border. I'm sorry to trouble you again about this but I can't find the Holborow entry in the Wiltshire notes and queries although I have found other parts you mentioned. I can't find it either in page 17 or 540. Is it volume 3?
Thanks very much for your help.
Slipper
-
Not quite sure what link you can't find.
This is the link to the book
Wiltshire Queries Sherston Manor Rolls
www.twhc.org.uk/book/Wiltshire%20Notes%20and%20Queries%20Vol%208.pdf
-
Slipper (not sure if you've read this book on line) can't do the link but Google
Full text of "Some account of the family of Holbrow, anciently of.....
the website is
htt[ps://archive.org > stream (click on other formats to read the book)
It has the Coat of Arms - etc
Mentions Sherston - and includies the Will of William HOLBOROWE, of Sherston Magna. co Wilts, Husbandman, dated 23 September 1607.
I bequeath to my daughter Alice HOLBOROWE, three kine, my greater heifer, 20 sheep and 3 young pigs
To my other daughter Dinah HOLBOROWE, the like.
To my son Thomas, my best platter, my spice "morter and pessell," and one little caldron.
To my said daughters, all the residence of my household stuff equally between them.
Residuary legatee and executor: my son Thomas.
I give to my sister Joane, one store pig.
To the goodwife, HOBBS, widow, £'4.
To my godson John TURNOR.
Witnesses: Richard WOODROFFE, clerk
Joane WYER
Probate Act not recorded. Archd. Wilts : Filed Wills.
-
Capetown, I'll certainly look at the account of the family of Holborowe - thanks for that. My problem with the Wiltshire notes and queries is that I've got the Grant to Iddols on page 19 but on pages 17 and 18 I've got no mention of Holborow. I've got the Names of Jurors; Names of the Homage; Presentment of Jurors; and Presentment of Homage. It's not on page 540 either which has a list of Wills for surnames "W". The Grant to Holborow could give me a vital clue so I do hope I'm not trying your patience in asking again. Thanks for all your help.
Slipper
-
Not sure what you are actually researching!!!
I'll have to come back to you, but on Page 91 (which is in the right hand corner of the book) on Sherston Manor Rolls....... (think I gave the previous page before)...
enclosed, whereof there lie in a close in North Field called Shallow-brook 15 acres, in a close lying in East Field called Widely 20 acres, in another close there called Sester 11 acres, and in a close lying on the North side of the sd. tenement 15 acres previously enclosed. And to this Court came Joseph HOLBOROROW, son of Ann, to whom all and singular the sd. premises ought to come by virture of the said Copy of Court Roll after the death of the sd. Ann, And the sd. Ann and Joseph here in full Court each rendered up into the hands of the lord the sd premises, with their appurtenances and all estate, etc., that the lord might do his will, whence £4 herior falls to the lord and is remitted and the sd Joseph took of the lord by delivery of sd. streward (the sd premises detailed as above) to whom the lord by his sd steward granted seisin by the rod to Have and Hold the messuage, etc. and premises above recited to the sd . Joseph Holbororow and Ann Holborough for term of their lives and of the longest liver of them successively at an annual rent of 29 shillings, vix. the sd tenement and cottages 20s. and the the sd common in Luckley 3s 4d. and for the sd pasture in Wyke 3s.1d. for common suit 10d. for Le Lott of understood 10d.; and the for aherior when it occurs £4. andall other burdens, works, customers, and servie thence previously due and of right accstomed, An by agreement they, or one of rthem, will plant annually upon some parcel of the premsies 4 trees, oak, beech, or fruit, And for such estate etc. etc. Joseph and Ann gave the lord £30 fine, and joseph was admitted tendant and did fealty, but Ann's feallty was...... etc etc.
-
Capetown, that's great thank you. I have it now on pages 90/91. I have been trying to trace a Sarah Holborow born about 1639 who had brothers Joseph, William and Daniel and as Ann had sons of these names I wonder if this may be her family. I'm not sure if this Grant will help me but, as you know, all pieces of information can be of value. Thanks very much. Slipper