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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: nellie d on Tuesday 15 March 22 19:54 GMT (UK)
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I wasn’t sure if this was Tarne, Jarne or Farne!
Any ideas very welcome 🙏🏻
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The second one looks like S E Tame to me.
But the two are not by the same hand. Is one a transcription? If so which one? Or are they from different documents? Some context, place and date might help.
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I would say it was S E Tarne
Looby :)
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Hi ShaunJ
The first was from the Devon Parish Registers and is the actual signature of the witness.
The second is from the marriage certificate, so will have been transcribed.
I would load the certificate but I can only upload small pictures… I am not very techno, so I don’t know if it is my lack of ability or whether it’s due to a restriction on file size!
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I would say it was S E Tarne
Looby :)
I agree, that's what I see.
Carol
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The first looks like S E Tame ie m. The second, the transcription looks like Tarne ie r n.
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As Shaun has said, a place and date may help, that would enable a census search for the area. That my throw up a likely person.
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It was a marriage in East Stonehouse, Devon on 28 August 1909.
The groom Francis George Francis was resident in East Stonehouse as he was based there with the Royal Marines.
The bride, Margaret Helen Rowland lived in Surrey as she was in service as a housekeeper there.
I managed to trace one of the witnesses J Coupland as a John Thomas Coupland, who joined the RM on the same day as Francis! 2 October 1902.
There is no one with a name the same or similar in either family.
I will try and upload the certificates again
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I have searched for Tame, Fame, Jame, Tarne, Farne and Jarne in census for Surrey, where the bride was in service, Devon, where the marriage took pkace and Kent, where the bride grew up.
Also, thank you to Looby, Carol and Shanreagh and especially to Shaun and Jebber, as I didn’t think about the fact that a transcription could obviously alter the details of someones name. So I have learnt something there. Plus of course, that the word I am looking to decipher is best given with other information. Thank you
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try Fawe. can you search for ' Fa* ' ?
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I don't think there is an "i" in it because he clearly shows certain punctuation dots when needed. The only dot I can see that could constitute a dotted "i" in this is too high up the signature.
The letter "F" like suggested before is a real contender based on the other document you provided, I think it's a marriage certificate. There is evidence of the same written "F" on that document so it may be wise to analyse the way other letters and words are written in the same church by the same priest or documents your comparing at least for extra clues.
Watch it be something totally different lol. 🙂
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Strangely, there is a FAWE Street leading shortly to Devons Road in London.
the 3 images all look different, r n, m, w
The initial letter could be T or F
I'm betting on FAWE, cheers, Ian
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Thank you Ian and Ryan…that gives me more scope 🍻
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Just for clarification (because I was confused!), this one is the original signature of the witness:
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Could it be Larne?
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Could it be Larne?
possibly…I will check out S E Larnes! Thank you Purdey
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Well…I have found her…under the name Same.
I looked on the 1911 census for the place Margaret Rowland was in service(although she had left their employment and was married by 1911)…on the assumption that maybe they were frinds who had been in service together…she wasn’t there.
So I checked the 1901 census, Margaret wasn’t working in Limpsfield yet, but her future employers, although not at Uplands, were in Oxted…and there she was…Sarah Same, parlourmaid!
Thank you everyone for your help!
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If she signed her own name in the clip reposted by Shaun, the first letter ‘S’ looks nothing like the first letter of her surname. I realise there can be differences but not that much.
I’m not convinced that the surname in the census is ‘Same’ either. There is a little squiggle which makes it look different from the other Ss on the census page - more like a T. :-\ Compare with the T of Thomas further down the page.
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If she signed her own name in the clip reposted by Shaun, the first letter ‘S’ looks nothing like the first letter of her surname. I realise there can be differences but not that much.
I’m not convinced that the surname in the census is ‘Same’ either. There is a little squiggle which makes it look different from the other Ss on the census page - more like a T. :-\
Added: maybe try to locate that particular Sarah in other censuses?
Well done Ruskie..your observation was astute…searched for a birth for Sarah Tame 1875-77. Jackpot…and there she is on Ancestry, census, damily the lot…what a star! :' :-*