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Title: My Carroll Family
Post by: friesland on Tuesday 15 March 22 17:40 GMT (UK)
My Carroll g g grandparents, Thomas Carroll and Ellen Hobourne (spelling varies) were married in 1843 in St Chads Cathedral Birmingham and census records show them being born in Ireland but no more details, Thomas in about 1817 and Ellen in 1822. Their marriage certificate shows his father as Loughlin Carroll a labourer and Ellen's father as Andrew Hobourne a shoemaker.


I started looking on the Surrey forum  - https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=859755.msg7287896#msg7287896  but was advised that this Irish forum was more appropriate.

Can anyone point me in any direction towards getting further back with my family?
Title: Re: My Carroll Family
Post by: shanreagh on Tuesday 15 March 22 20:33 GMT (UK)
In 1854 on Griffiths Valuation a Loughlin Carroll leased a house in the Parish of St Peter
Townland of Yellowbatter
Boherglass
Co Louth.

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

https://www.townlands.ie/louth/ferrard/drogheda-st-peters/yellowbatter/

I am wondering about the name Hobourne.  Trying to sound out the name with an Irish accent to see what a person in Birmingham might have heard?  Holburn, Habin, Holburn.......outside chance Hardman. Herdman. 
Did either or both sign their names or did they make their mark on the marriage register. 
Title: Re: My Carroll Family
Post by: friesland on Tuesday 15 March 22 22:37 GMT (UK)
Neither Thomas nor Ellen signed - they both made their mark

I also thought that Hobourn might have been O'Byrne.

Title: Re: My Carroll Family
Post by: shanreagh on Wednesday 16 March 22 01:22 GMT (UK)
Quote from: friesland on Tuesday 15 March 22 22:37 GMT (UK)
Neither Thomas nor Ellen signed - they both made their mark

I also thought that Hobourn might have been O'Byrne.

O'Byrne sounds good to me.  or just Byrne
There are Byrne names in Griffiths in St Peter's in Co Louth.  Bryan, John, James, Terence, Michael, Thomas, Patrick. 
 What were the names of the children of Thomas and Ellen?
Title: Re: My Carroll Family
Post by: shanreagh on Wednesday 16 March 22 01:50 GMT (UK)
On FS there is a ref to a Loughlin Carroll having a land tax assessment by the Valuation Office.  The date is 1852
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVMG-ZLD1
Ireland, Valuation Office Books, 1831-1856 Louth St Peter's Yellowbatter in the Drogheda suburbs
https://www.nationalarchives.ie/
and the details of the house are as follows
length 13 breadth 17 height 6
The quality of house is a 3B
The number of measures is 22
rate per measures is 41/4 ie four and a quarter (pence?)
with a valuation of 7 shillings and 9pence


Title: Re: My Carroll Family
Post by: friesland on Wednesday 16 March 22 10:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the pointers.

Thomas and Ellen's children were Ellen, John, Malachi, Agnes, Thomas, Eliza.

I'll follow up on the Loughlin leads.